Split scoring for EW/MW/LW 4 months in

[BaldEagl]

Now into the fourth camp of split arena scoring do you like it better or not?

For me personally, I used to visit EW and MW regularly prior to the split.  I haven't been to either one since the split.  

I guess I kind of liked it better when they were combined.  I don't have the time to try to maintain score/rank through three arenas, nor do I care to try to track my stats from camp to camp across three arenas.

I still try to fly the EW/MW planes in the LWA's from time to time but it's much more difficult (although very rewarding when you have success) and it's just not the same.  I sort of miss flying those old crates agianst others of the same kind.

What's your opinion?

[AirFlyer]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
I guess I kind of liked it better when they were combined.  I don't have the time to try to maintain score/rank through three arenas, nor do I care to try to track my stats from camp to camp across three arenas.

What's your opinion?

Why do you even care about rank?

[bushi]

My opinion is that it is way too easy to inflate scores doing worthless things that don't contribute to anything in any meaningful way except to inflate your score.

EDIT: So yea, why care about it?

[SD67]

They give us scores and ranks now?

[Latrobe]

I never had an opinion on ranks other than "It's a way to tell who's Admiral and who's swabin' the poop deck"

[SD67]

The guy with the fruit salad on his hat gets the mop?

[rogerdee]

you mean early and mid arenas ae still around!!!!

everytime i log on there are less people in the arenas then i got toes so i dont even bother with them.


Splt areans my work for thoses who log on in american peak time but for others they are a waste of space.

As for score just have fun

[Overlag]

Originally posted by rogerdee
you mean early and mid arenas ae still around!!!!

everytime i log on there are less people in the arenas then i got toes so i dont even bother with them.


Splt areans my work for thoses who log on in american peak time but for others they are a waste of space.

As for score just have fun

yup, they generally always empty... maybe there should be 128x128 maps for them they more likely to find fights?

one of the reasons i dont go there is i  can find more fights in offline mode....

[Anaxogoras]

I hear a lot of people say they don't care about score.  That's fine, but don't ignore the implicit message of the post: before scoring was split, it was more enticing to fly the in the EW or MW arenas.

Personally, there's one scoring statistic that means a lot to me: K/D ratio.  That's how I judge how I am doing.

Were there more people in those arenas four months ago?  I don't know because I created my account in November, but I've been disappointed not to see consistent numbers anywhere but the LWMA.  There are so many aircraft that it's hopeless to try and I never see flying.  Even the best pilots wouldn't last long in 1940 aircraft against hordes of La-7s and Spixteens.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Anaxogoras

Were there more people in those arenas four months ago?  

Defenitely yes, especially in EW.

One could lament about scoring and ranking and scorepotatos all the day, but that doesn't take from the fact that the single scoring atttracted people to the EW arena. Which, despite being intended as pure milkrunning, resulted in more fights in this arena. And numbvers breed numbers, throw in 15 players that try to pad their score and a good number of other players will follow trying to hunt them down

Now I don't want to bee misunderstood - I always thought (and still think) splitting the stats was a good idea.
My only proposal would be basing your overall rank in each category on your individual ranks in all three arenas. If you care for your rank (for whatever reason), you will have to fly a few sorties everywhere. That would lure a few players back to EW/MW.
And if you don't care for ranks at all (for whatever reason) it wouldn't have any negative influence ón you either

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Overlag
yup, they generally always empty... maybe there should be 128x128 maps for them they more likely to find fights?

one of the reasons i dont go there is i  can find more fights in offline mode....

Don't paint a picture of doom and gloom in the non-LW arenas with such a broad brush.

Generally more empty than the LW arenas ? .. yes ... generally empty ? ... no.

rogerdee was more correct in saying that off US prime-time they are basically empty ... who's fault is that ?

I already have 89 kills in my FM2 and 64 kills in my F6F ... I find plenty of targets/fights ... so we really don't need any changes to the types of maps that cycle thru mid-war (with the exception of Uterus - GET RID OF IT). You want to find a fight in mid-war, you simply have to find a red dar bar ... fly to it ... engage.

To answer the question ...

I love it. I fly mid-war almost exclusively, and since the scoring change, mid-war has developed a great "core" of players that fly the arena consistently. Prior to the scoring change, the arena had a constant influx of "score potatos" who were not there to really participate, but rather milk strats and personally, I am glad to see them go.

I have noticed as of late, that the numbers in mid-war have increased in average. When I log on at night I can see numbers from 35 to 75+ ... consistently. The gameplay and engagements in mid-war reminds me very much of the AH I days, and I like that.

In the mid-war, you can get into 1 v 1 - 2 v 1 - 3 v 1 fights and actually end up fighting with just those people ... rather than starting such types of engagements and only end up with a pack of mouth frothing La-7s and Spit 16s sniffing the air for blood and pouncing in on the fight and basically fighting over who will get the kill first.

Again ... I applauded HTC for splitting arenas and applaud them again for splitting the score.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by SlapShot

Again ... I applauded HTC for splitting arenas and applaud them again for splitting the score.

this wasnt ment to be a negative comment about the arena split. far from it. I aint even touching that subject.  

Id love to go there, but its "empty" so i dont... and that causes the whole issue. same with AvA, although maybe "The War" will improve that...



the 128x128 map idea whole surely be good as it brings the people close together and less of a chance to spread out?

what Lusche mentioned it very true. when the stats was all linked, people score potatod in these arenas, and that caused people to go there to hunt for the score potatos. Now this has virtually gone. (i did both of these a few times...)


another problem is choice, theres not many rides that fall into EW, partly because the people always want uber planes cos they think everything else will be hanger queens. MW doesnt really have this problem.


4th edit, yeah MW numbers are up i believe from the past, thats one reason i feel to have a 1939-1943 and 1943-1945 arena setup, not EW/MW/LW

[Phil]

Good comments from all of you....

Midwar has been pickin' up a bit. Many times during peek hours(E/T) you will vary bewteen 50-70players.
This arena I like because you often scrap with even odds or close to.
The plane set is good where you need to have skills to survive. You do the work and not the plane....
If you like "FUR" balls, I think the late war arenas are the best. You won't have the patience to sweep in midwar for 10min to find a bogey !

SCORES darn SCORES !:mad:
Some pilots make stupid moves and say stupid comments because of their "GOLDEN" scores !
Some RUN away before risking gettin' killed...
Some are frustrated because they got killed and blame it on the famous H.O move.
Verbal abusive comments are being said between pilots because of being jealous of others for havin' GOLDEN scores:(

Look at the arena SEA. Do scores count in there ?
I don't think so.
During the special event missions, I never saw anyone or witnessed any pilots making degrading comments to anyone because of scores. There is none ! No ranks !

The score ranking should be decided with the player if he wants his to be posted on the roster.
AT THE BEGINING OF THE TOUR, A POP UP SCREEN SHOULD GIVE YOU THE CHOICE IF YOU WANT TO BE RANKED AND YOUR SCORE TO BE POSTED. IF NOT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR ROSTER DURING THE TOUR, YOUR SCORE WOULD BE SIMPLY  " 0 " JUST LIKE IN THE TRAINING / DUAL ARENAS ETC...
Scores should be a tool for you to use for your own improvement. If ya want to show it, good for you. If not, leave it at zero.

Why would you have to feel obliged to play in the arena simply to keep your ranks. I think this is where we lose quality during the game.
Those players fly the game different by not taking any chances. They decide to run instead forcing the fights.
In midwar, I have confronted top ranked fighters from the late war arenas and once they were pinged, ZOOM they were gone !

Viewed the film afterwards and was surprised to find out who it was ! No wonder he disapeared, he didn't want to affect his GOLDEN scores !
He flew 1-2 hours in mid. Once he shot down a dozen planes, you didn't see him for the rest of the tour... ET VOILA ! Two sorties with a dozen of planes to his credit and never shot down.
Did he come back in Mid, Nope ! Why risk it ? His scores are in cement and will stay there....

I'm fairly new at this game(14mths) and have met good pilots from each teams. These pilots participated in fun scraps.
I have noticed that some of those pilots have changed their game style. I checked their scores and It was obvious why ! They have been sucked in the SCORE competition... These pilots are now running away when they used to stick around and make it more fun/interesting.
Players don't want to fly bomber formation missions because they risk not having a good bomb run. It will affect their scores ! The teamwork was out the window starting from that comment !

Anyway, everyone has the choice to do what they wish;)
But when there's a score board in any game you play, SOME humans will do anything at any cost. Even if it means losing a good relationship with a pilot or disbanding a squad because of the scores. Some will cheat and some will start endless verbal wars against each other....

Again, you shouln't be playing in an arena simply to keep your scores. You should be going in there because you like the plane set and the environment you are fighting in.

You ask for my opinion Eagle, you got it !

Salute
Phil / OPP7755

[Phil]

Originally posted by SlapShot
Don't paint a picture of doom and gloom in the non-LW arenas with such a broad brush.

Generally more empty than the LW arenas ? .. yes ... generally empty ? ... no.

rogerdee was more correct in saying that off US prime-time they are basically empty ... who's fault is that ?

I already have 89 kills in my FM2 and 64 kills in my F6F ... I find plenty of targets/fights ... so we really don't need any changes to the types of maps that cycle thru mid-war (with the exception of Uterus - GET RID OF IT). You want to find a fight in mid-war, you simply have to find a red dar bar ... fly to it ... engage.

To answer the question ...

I love it. I fly mid-war almost exclusively, and since the scoring change, mid-war has developed a great "core" of players that fly the arena consistently. Prior to the scoring change, the arena had a constant influx of "score potatos" who were not there to really participate, but rather milk strats and personally, I am glad to see them go.

I have noticed as of late, that the numbers in mid-war have increased in average. When I log on at night I can see numbers from 35 to 75+ ... consistently. The gameplay and engagements in mid-war reminds me very much of the AH I days, and I like that.

In the mid-war, you can get into 1 v 1 - 2 v 1 - 3 v 1 fights and actually end up fighting with just those people ... rather than starting such types of engagements and only end up with a pack of mouth frothing La-7s and Spit 16s sniffing the air for blood and pouncing in on the fight and basically fighting over who will get the kill first.

Again ... I applauded HTC for splitting arenas and applaud them again for splitting the score.

Slap, the more I read and the more you shoot me down, the better I respect you !
Maybe someday, I will be able to shoot you down everytime !!!

SALUTE !
Phil / OPP7755

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Overlag
this wasnt ment to be a negative comment about the arena split. far from it. I aint even touching that subject.  

Id love to go there, but its "empty" so i dont... and that causes the whole issue. same with AvA, although maybe "The War" will improve that...



the 128x128 map idea whole surely be good as it brings the people close together and less of a chance to spread out?

what Lusche mentioned it very true. when the stats was all linked, people score potatod in these arenas, and that caused people to go there to hunt for the score potatos. Now this has virtually gone. (i did both of these a few times...)


another problem is choice, theres not many rides that fall into EW, partly because the people always want uber planes cos they think everything else will be hanger queens. MW doesnt really have this problem.

Part of Lusche's observations is true ... score potatos use to come to the arena and it helped with numbers.

I fly the MW 99% of the time and this is what I see/saw ... numbers did tail off when they split the scoring, but the numbers have recovered, and on the average, the numbers are now larger than when the score was not split.

I believe that some people have gravitated to the Mid-War because of the scoring split and are coming back with consistency.

What I also see, and what is important to me, is that the quality of fights in the Mid-War are better than what you run into in the LW arenas. That is not to say that LW pilots are worse ... when you engage in a 2 v 1 in the MW, 99% of the time, it will remain a 2 v 1 ... you don't always have the fear of a pack of feeding frenzied La-7s and Spit 16s jumping the fight.

That to me is "quality" and I much prefer quality to quantity when it comes to this game and dogfighting.