Author Topic: Substitutions (Read 767 times)

Fencer51 · « **on:** January 15, 2008, 10:48:30 AM »

I saw a post this past week where it was claimed that we had some Fw190-A4s skinned as A5s.

I have seen other posts concerning skin substitutions including those pesky Spitfire marks which come "Clipped Clopped or Clapped".

So, what are our rules?

For instance can we do any of the following..

A B-25J skinned on the B-25H ?

A B-25D skinned on the B-25C ?

A Fw190-A7 skinned on the Fw190-A8 or an A6 on the A5?

A Yak 3 on the Yak 9?

Any of the TA-152 marks on the TA-152?

A 109F2 on the 109F4?

etc etc..

Opinions and facts would be most welcome.

Greebo · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2008, 11:01:04 AM »

You can't do a B-25J or a B-25G on the B-25H skin, I've asked. The B-25C and D were identical, just built in different factories.

The Yak-3 is a completely different aircraft, and one which might be done by HTC in future, so probably not.

I'd guess any of the long winged 152s that saw service would be OK and probably the 109s and 190s too. As always check before commiting time to a project. HTC are only an email away.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2008, 11:04:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Greebo
You can't do a B-25J or a B-25G on the B-25H skin, I've asked.

You're killing me.

Thanks though. I have not started any 25s, the current crop are so well done, I hate to bring the quality down.

Saxman · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2008, 11:21:34 AM »

Can I do skins for an F4U-2 nightfighter on the F4U-1 birdcage? They were essentially the same aircraft, just one had the radome attached.

moot · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2008, 02:11:02 PM »

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Any of the TA-152 marks on the TA-152?

Meaning?

Some of the 152H1 and H0 were interchanged in the field, which was a difference of wing tanks and some boost plumbing.
There were probably some prototype Ta152s that were converted to H models and put to work still bearing prototype paint schemes.

I don't think the rule should apply to those sort of cases.

Fencer51 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2008, 02:25:46 PM »

Moot as with the Yak comment I was just giving examples. I know nothing about TA-152s and their various mark numbers, however I have gleaned from JG11 that their 152s were not the same as the one we have modeled.

Larry · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2008, 04:05:07 PM »

As far as I know there are only three Ta152 models the C, H0 and H1. Again as far as I know the H0 and H1 look alike, but the C had smaller wings a little bit bigger then the dora.

moot · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2008, 05:28:41 PM »

JG11 got a batch of pre-productions, most if not all prototypes, in the very end of the war, in the same sort of last ditch effort that put all the Rechlin evaluation center's capable planes (262s, Ar234s, D9s, 152, etc) into action.

There were a few -C's in the field, but mostly H-0s and H-1s. The prototypes like JG11 got really were just a bootstrap sort of thing IMO.
Those 152-Cs probably saw action, but there's no record of it.

But as far as paint schemes are concerned, the only ones we could have in AH are most likely H-0's and prototype paint schemes in the case I described in the previous post.

Stampf · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2008, 05:38:07 PM »

Fencer51 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 15, 2008, 05:46:10 PM »

Purty.

moot · « **Reply #10 on:** January 15, 2008, 05:58:53 PM »

Now that I think about it, JG11 got some of their 152s pulled from them like Krusty said, and it happened earlier than their getting those prototypes I mentionned.

Greebo · « **Reply #11 on:** January 15, 2008, 06:29:31 PM »

Generally I think HTC will let a substitution go if it is the same basic shape as the base skin, apart from a few details. The F4U-2 would probably get through, but I'd check first.

Also it has to be a variant they are unlikely to add at a later date. This is probably why P-47M skins aren't allowed on the P47D-40 even though it is identical externally.

Xasthur · « **Reply #12 on:** January 15, 2008, 07:58:20 PM »

I believe was the rule was something to the effect of:

If the two aircraft (Eg Fw 190 A7 and A8) are fairly close in design and capability and the aircraft that is not already included has no chance of being included (like the A7) it is acceptable to subsitute close variants as an aircraft we have in game.