Author Topic: macbook air... ye flipping gods (Read 1432 times)

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #30 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:21:17 PM »

Yeah Leopard sucks totally maybe that's why I hate mac. I've never used anything else. Btw. looks like the new macbook is another iphone -> a neutered version of a tool that sacrifices functionality for style.

REP0MAN · « **Reply #31 on:** January 17, 2008, 12:41:19 AM »

Now, can you do that without the emulator?

Leopard is not without it's flaws. I never said it wasn't. I merely made the comment that Vista is a POS. And, all of the "FULLY QUALIFIED IT ENGINEERS" that I work with won't deploy it. I can handle the few bugs of Leopard on a far superior OS Platform in a much better made, working and looking laptop/desktop. I'm not much for beta-testing Micro$aft's newest OSX copy anyhow.

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Yeah Leopard sucks totally maybe that's why I hate mac. I've never used anything else. Btw. looks like the new macbook is another iphone -> a neutered version of a tool that sacrifices functionality for style.

What's your issue with the iPhone? Mine works like a champ. Takes better pics than my digital camera, phone works far better than the Samsung T509 and Blackberry I had before it and the WiFi makes the browser zing. Edge network leaves much to be desired but that's hardly Apple or the iPhone's fault. Oh, I forgot to mention; battery life in my iPhone is perfect. Use the MP3 player most of the day with moderate phone usage (1-3hours a day use), heavy web browser use and still have 1/4 battery life left when it hits the charger at night.

Is it possible you got TWO bad pieces of hardware from Apple? Will they give you a refund or exchange for a working model? /sarcasm

Nilsen · « **Reply #32 on:** January 17, 2008, 12:57:18 AM »

Ive used my 12" powerbook daily now (without reinstalling the os) since 2005 and never have had any of those error messages and crashes that the mac "sceptics" always seem to find. Granted its a dated os (panther) but still. Its not perfect by any means but great. The G4 cpu and the architecture of the G4 is not very snappy at todays standard but i have a feeling it will keep on going for another 5-10 years without the need for reinstalls and fixing.

That beeing said, im one of those that never can seem to crash windows either. I must be very lucky or maybe i just dont click on every link i can find and install beta versions of drivers and other software all the time.

RTHolmes · « **Reply #33 on:** January 17, 2008, 08:08:42 AM »

oh dear vulcan, so many inaccuracies I just dont know where to start.

lets start with the BSOD screenies. who would expect panics when running under emulation

i mean I could load up VPC and XP on my powerbook, I guarantee it wont last an hour without a panic. we're talking about running oses natively here. which for MacOS only Macs can. hence unbeatable.

in the dictionary under "irony" it says "see vulcan's 2nd screeny". can you tell me who wrote the software in the frontmost window that caused the kernel panic? cant quite make it out.

"just BSD" just? if you have evidence that ANY post-DOS MS os is more reliable than any flavour of Unix i would just love to see it (unless its from MS themselves of course.)

"pretty GUI" > "ugly GUI"

Leopard is a 64bit OS which also runs 32bit apps. All in the same box (XP 64bit anyone? thought not.)

Apple hardware is designed by Apple. It uses some chips designed and manufactured by others. like "PC" companies do. CPUs dont run windows, they run instruction sets.

if cpus are so optimised to run MS product then why does (heavily hacked, non-optimised, designed for Intel-only OSx86) Leopard run way more responsively than XP on my AMD system?

as for reliability and useability, I could post an example of jaw-dropping ineptitude in XP every day for the next year.

Vulcan · « **Reply #34 on:** January 17, 2008, 01:55:07 PM »

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oh dear vulcan, so many inaccuracies I just dont know where to start.

lets start with the BSOD screenies. who would expect panics when running under emulation i mean I could load up VPC and XP on my powerbook, I guarantee it wont last an hour without a panic. we're talking about running oses natively here. which for MacOS only Macs can. hence unbeatable.

in the dictionary under "irony" it says "see vulcan's 2nd screeny". can you tell me who wrote the software in the frontmost window that caused the kernel panic? cant quite make it out.

"just BSD" just? if you have evidence that ANY post-DOS MS os is more reliable than any flavour of Unix i would just love to see it (unless its from MS themselves of course.)

"pretty GUI" > "ugly GUI"

Leopard is a 64bit OS which also runs 32bit apps. All in the same box (XP 64bit anyone? thought not.)

Apple hardware is designed by Apple. It uses some chips designed and manufactured by others. like "PC" companies do. CPUs dont run windows, they run instruction sets.

if cpus are so optimised to run MS product then why does (heavily hacked, non-optimised, designed for Intel-only OSx86) Leopard run way more responsively than XP on my AMD system?

as for reliability and useability, I could post an example of jaw-dropping ineptitude in XP every day for the next year.

Ummm, perhaps you should look closer before putting your foot in your mouth. Feel stupid now? You should. The panic screenie is running native on a macbook. I've also seen safari cause kernel panics, and other apps. Are the software vendors ALL wrong except apple?

Leopard is still a 32 bit OS, the GUI is 32 bit. There are underlying BSD libraries that a 64 bit, bit the GUI and any GUI based apps are 32 bit.

Yes just BSD, in fact BSD with some out of date libraries in apples case.

It is not apple hardware apart from what ports and shell the put on it. The chipset is designed for windows market, intel do not design their chipsets and cpu's for 3% of the market, the design it for the other 97%. Enjoying your stay with the cult of jobs?

Maybe you set XP up wrong. I run 3 PC's, XP is responsive, quick, nice to use on all 3, it doesn't BSOD either.

Dowding · « **Reply #35 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:26:38 PM »

XP Pro is rock solid on my machine, as well. It's a shame MS will not support it in a couple of years time.

The iPhone is style over substance. Anyone who claims that it has a better camera than a standalone digital camera really does need to keep off the cider (pun intended).

I hate how Apple have a policy of using non-replaceable batteries in their products. There are no end of complaints about this from people with a dead product because of faulty battery.

Wolfala · « **Reply #36 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:41:12 PM »

I'm trying to figure this out. You guys run OSx...and yr on a flight simulation bbs. You can't even run 95% of the software for this specific purpose, and don't start to preach about running paralles. Its a half assed solution and won't change.

Vulcan · « **Reply #37 on:** January 17, 2008, 03:01:38 PM »

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I'm trying to figure this out. You guys run OSx...and yr on a flight simulation bbs. You can't even run 95% of the software for this specific purpose, and don't start to preach about running paralles. Its a half assed solution and won't change.

Its a typical display of the cult-of-jobs.

Up to mac os 9 anything *nix or with a shell or CLI sucked. OS X came out and suddenly shells and cli's are cool.

Up to last year intel processors sucked, ppc processors were faster better etc etc (I think the term used was wintel). Then all of sudden intel architecture is good.

Apparently apple have invented everything idea in a gui, despite the fact I can dig up 8 or 9 year old screenies of amiga workbench with docks, widgets, and so forth (interesting OS, based on *nix, with a nice gui, sound familiar? it could also run mac and pc apps inside it....in the 1990s).

Apparently, apple make the best hardware. Despite the fact their notebooks come out of the same factory as Asus, Sony, and HP. But of course should anything fail - like a battery catching fire - then thats obviously sony's fault.

Remember when PC's sucked because they didn't have firewire? And everybody should have firewire because USB sucks? Oh wait we've changed our minds you no longer need firewire Steve says usb only is ok.

And of course there are no virus's or malware on mac's, and mac's never ever ever get hacked. However if they did get hacked thats probably the fault of non-apple written apps such as apache and sendmail.

So now we have a notebook for the cult-of-jobs. It's slim, but so far only .01 of inch slimmer than current pc notebooks (plus a few old ones). And it does this at the cost of a dvd drive, firewire ports, usb ports (1 is not enough), removable battery, pc card slot (yay no 3g mobility), whereas the lg/toshiba'/dell slimline equivilants do this at close to the same thickness AND lighter without sacrificing these features.

But I'm sure the cult-of-jobs lot like repoman and RTHolmes will willingly hand over cash for one as any cultee should

Tac · « **Reply #38 on:** January 17, 2008, 09:36:48 PM »

laptops are ancient history.

http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=ST5100&ptype=TB

this baby rocks.

i'd buy one if it had the ability of a gaming laptop (aka better vid card and stand alone ram).

but for anything else besides gaming or video editing..this is one sick puppy imo.

REP0MAN · « **Reply #39 on:** January 17, 2008, 10:21:59 PM »

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I'm trying to figure this out. You guys run OSx...and yr on a flight simulation bbs. You can't even run 95% of the software for this specific purpose, and don't start to preach about running paralles. Its a half assed solution and won't change.

That's funny Wolfala. I can make a half dozen mouse clicks and have AH2 running just peachy on my iMac. I can do everything I need to do from right here. No PeeCee involved. Should HTC make a MAC version, I would have no need for XP polluting my MAC via boot camp.

You're right Vulcan. No viruses, no spyware, no malware, no punks trying to port sniff my machine. It's nice not to have to rely on a 3rd party to secure my machine. No daily updates to virus definitions, no extra processes clogging down my CPU. It sure sux to be in the 3%

Glad I'm not in that "Cult-of Gates". Now, where's my far superior cell phone and laptop; I think I'll go and put some new tunes on for the trip to Oklahoma on Monday.

Vulcan · « **Reply #40 on:** January 17, 2008, 11:00:03 PM »

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You're right Vulcan. No viruses, no spyware, no malware, no punks trying to port sniff my machine. It's nice not to have to rely on a 3rd party to secure my machine. No daily updates to virus definitions, no extra processes clogging down my CPU. It sure sux to be in the 3%

Glad I'm not in that "Cult-of Gates". Now, where's my far superior cell phone and laptop; I think I'll go and put some new tunes on for the trip to Oklahoma on Monday.

I was being sarcastic, there is malware and virus's for the mac. Not many mind you. The latest malware being a DNS hijacker. But what can you do about it, you have no 3rd party products to help clean it out if you do get it huh. Mac's get hacked all the time, usually over-representitive of their market share, and that includes the odd apple run server (see zone-h statistics on hacking by platform). Whoopsie looks like another cultee with his foot in his mouth

Superior cellphone? Does your iphone have A2DP Stereo Bluetooth support yet? Thought not

Wolfala · « **Reply #41 on:** January 17, 2008, 11:03:44 PM »

6 clicks to run AH? Wow, I have...lets count...1.

And same with every other program. You can run XP on 100 megs of ram if you know what to turn off, and running AH isn't a real test - since its designed to run on machines 6 years older then the current state.

I love OSX - don't get me wrong - I use it on a daily basis - but could you run Longbow 2 from the late 90s on your box? How about while running Glide, that little 3dfx doodad they used back when graphics cards were coming into puberty.

An aside, you can run AH - do you play AH in the MA? If the answer is no, then its a moot point because the utility of what you have demonstrated has little value.

If yes - start running FRAPS so we can all see how it works on your end and post it up on youtube or Photobucket, along with the instructions on how you configured things to get it running on your side. Bet there are plenty of OSX lurkers in the background who would love to get wet.

Vulcan · « **Reply #42 on:** January 17, 2008, 11:05:38 PM »

Hmm I can sense a fit of cultee-denial coming, I'm guessing you don't have a zone-h login so I'll post a screen for you, note the highlighted red boxes....

If you cultees are wondering what these are, these are mac servers that have been comprimised and defaced, on the left are times TODAY.

REP0MAN · « **Reply #43 on:** January 17, 2008, 11:40:29 PM »

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If you cultees are wondering what these are, these are mac Servers that have been comprimised and defaced, on the left are times TODAY.

Last I checked, my iMac, MacBook Pro, iBook and G5 are not servers. I guess I can hold off on the foot eating.

Wolfala, yes, I play in the MA's although, not very much lately. Have been too busy to play much. I've set up SEA events and run several FSO's from right here. I do not use Fraps. I'll look into the download for ya. There is another user here that is on the 24" iMac with Intel chips. His posts helped me. His name escapes me though. It's all still very new technology really. Well, not really new, just a new way to use it. It's not 100% but it allows me to play without a peecee on my desk and that speaks volumes for me. COD2 is another game I am heavily involved in and there is a version written for MAC. It runs very well in single and multi-player environments.

"but could you run Longbow 2 from the late 90s on your box? How about while running Glide, that little 3dfx doodad they used back when graphics cards were coming into puberty. "

Why would I need to? I have everything I need without playing 18 year old games. I guess it is necessary to note that I am a musician and I use my G5 and MacBook Pro for music recording and performing. I started on MACs in the 7th grade in 1987 and have just never really been impressed with anything else. I have the money to buy them and the knowledge to operate them effectively for what I need to accomplish. I don't want to sound like I am better for having a different preference.

Vulcan · « **Reply #44 on:** January 17, 2008, 11:55:07 PM »

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Last I checked, my iMac, MacBook Pro, iBook and G5 are not servers. I guess I can hold off on the foot eating.

No no, you still need to eat it. There is malware, virus's, etc for your iMac, MacBook Pro, and G5, as I said not as much as with windows, but its still out there

. I was pointing out the servers in response to port scanning and hacking. The latest malware for your desktops is known as dnschanger.