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Offline WMLute

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« on: January 17, 2008, 12:21:52 AM »
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(01-04) 05:39 PST Los Angeles (AP) --

An elected official charged with falsely claiming he earned the military's highest honor has filed a motion to dismiss the federal case against him on free speech grounds.

The motion argues that the Stolen Valor Act of 2005, under which water board member Xavier Alvarez was charged, is incompatible with the First Amendment because it restricts free speech by criminalizing false claims of military honors.

Alvarez, an elected representative to the Three Valleys Municipal Water District, said last year at a water district meeting that he was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for his deeds as a Marine.

After admitting he never served in the military, he was charged with violating the Stolen Valor Act. He pleaded not guilty to the misdemeanor charge.

Alvarez's lawyer Brianna J. Fuller argued in the motion to dismiss, which will be heard Jan. 14 in federal court, that "protecting the reputation of military decorations" is not a compelling enough reason to place "restrictions on false statements."

But government prosecutors said in their opposition submitted Wednesday that the First Amendment does not protect deliberate falsehoods.


This is a case we should all closely watch.

Lord knows we get our fair share of "tall tales" here.

Just curious, did Voss claim to have won the MOH?

I know there was a post somewhere on this bbs a few months back about a player and his military awards.

Don't think it was the MOH tho'.
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Offline Mickey1992

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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2008, 08:19:40 AM »
What a tool.  Apparently he also used the same lie during a failed run for mayor.  I hope this guy gets thrown out of office.

http://www.sgvtribune.com/news/ci_7964287

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2008, 09:43:05 AM »
<--------won the medal of honor.... twice
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2008, 09:51:14 AM »
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Is your name Smedley Butler? Or Maybe Dan Daly? :D



I wonder if that POS politician claimed he had PTSD too....  They should  make him sit down with a bunch of real vets and make him explain it all to them.

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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2008, 11:37:50 AM »
His being a liar of that type is bad enough. His lawyer, defending his lies on the basis of free speech is worse as far as I am concerned.
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2008, 12:15:07 PM »
David Hackworth found out about a General in the Pentagon who was wearing alot of medals he never earned.  Hackworth wrote a story about it, and the General prompty killed himself.  This was in the 90s.

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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 03:14:39 PM »
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David Hackworth found out about a General in the Pentagon who was wearing alot of medals he never earned.  Hackworth wrote a story about it, and the General prompty killed himself.  This was in the 90s.


Had not hear that, so I looked it up.

DEFENDING AMERICA
David H. Hackworth
21 May 1996

DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR

Last Thursday morning, I gave a lecture to a college class in Texas by telephone. Just before I signed off, I said, "I'm working on a big story -- can't give you the details, but you'll read about in next week's Newsweek." My parting comment to the class of aspiring journalists was: "Remember, as reporters you must always be true to yourself."

Two hours later, I filed my story about Adm. Jeremy Boorda, the Chief of Naval Operations, wearing valor awards he had not earned on the field of strife. At around 2 p.m., Adm. Boorda committed suicide after being told there were press inquiries concerning his decorations.

My personal credo about being true to oneself has again been put to the test.

In battle, a leader's most awesome responsibility is that his orders frequently mean the difference between living and dying. I have ordered soldiers to fight more times than I care to think about and seen too many good men die.

Adm. Boorda's suicide has once again reminded me of the possible grave consequences of our actions.

I pursued the story because for a soldier or sailor there's no greater disgrace than wearing unearned valor awards. Combat ribbons -- awards for which so many brave warriors have bled -- are the ultimate status symbol to warriors. They bring a special recognition and respect.

And with military leaders, from corporal to four-star rank, there's a larger issue: integrity. The very bedrock of any military organization is honor, doing the hard right over the easy wrong and standing tall in everything that's done.

Midshipmen at Annapolis, cadets at West Point, the Air Force Academy, all the ROTCs and other officer-producing schools in the land are taught the code, "I will not lie, cheat or steal nor tolerate anyone who does."

These sacred rules don't only apply to cadets, NCOs or junior grade officers, but to every leader who wears the uniform, from cadet to general, midshipmen to admiral.

In recent years, there's been an epidemic of violations of these rules, many by senior officers. These offenses range from lying under oath to stealing to misusing government property.

Maj. Gen. Jarvis Lynch, USMC retired, says younger officers and cadets have been trashed for these misdeeds. He writes, "It's an odd situation. The elders work from the belief that the young have no abiding standards -- they lack integrity: they don't know right from wrong. And the young think that they have encountered hypocrisy in high places and may be drawing conclusions not intended by those who are spreading the gospel."

So I chased the story because I believe the feet of the top brass must be held to the fire just as well as those of the youngsters. They especially must set an honorable example, and integrity is not negotiable. It's the price an officer or NCO pays.

Generals and admirals make awesome decisions. Not only about billions of defense dollars that have been put in their trust, but also in matters of life and death. Too, they advise the president, who as commander in chief must rely implicitly on their judgment when acting upon their recommendations concerning war and peace.

During the Vietnam War, generals and admirals did not act with virtue. They lied and deceived about the course of the war, not only to the President and Congress, but to the American people. As a result, a generation of young Americans was doomed.

Adm. Boorda was a caring leader who genuinely looked after his sailors. But by wearing false awards, he lived a lie. He was not true to himself.

Joan Kuehl, an eminent New York psychoanalyst, told me, "Your story may have triggered his suicide, but there probably was something else going on. Whatever caused him to wear awards he did not deserve could have been symptomatic of a larger flaw in his character."

Don Graham, publisher of Newsweek's parent company, The Washington Post, called me only hours after Boorda had shot himself and said, "Hack, don't feel guilty. You were doing your duty."

I was also doing my duty when my orders caused young men to die on distant battlefields, but that doesn't lessen the pain of their -- or Adm. Boorda's -- dying.

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2008, 05:43:14 PM »
Interesting.  A liar and a scumbag, but the 1st amendment defense could work.  Who knows these days...

A slightly related story of my own:

A few Christmas's ago I was at a mall and had a guy stop me.  He asked me if I was in the military (no) and then proceeded to tell me how he was and had just come back from Iraq.  Unfortunately he flew into Columbia and was going to Fort Jackson, but  his bags ended up at Fort Blahblah in some other state and he really needed some cash to get on a bus to get there.  He even showed me his military ID as proof of his service.  It was his picture on a genuine military ID, similar to one I had been issued several times during my life...as a dependent of a someone in the military (my dad)!

I told my dad and asked about him being charged for impersonating a member of the military (illegal), but since he wasn't in uniform...then probably not.

What desperate sweethearts.