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Offline BBBB

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« on: January 18, 2008, 04:17:38 PM »
This is a simulation of the accident that happened last year when an F-15 broke up in flight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R7BWrqmgac&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHMy4BEkk8I

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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2008, 05:15:09 PM »
Wow.  What were they doing?  Dogfighting?  And why did the rear gears deploy after the cockpit seperated?  Like to hear eagl's thoughts on this.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2008, 05:27:29 PM »
He was clearly stick stirring.

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2008, 05:47:09 PM »
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Wow.  What were they doing?  Dogfighting?  And why did the rear gears deploy after the cockpit seperated?  Like to hear eagl's thoughts on this.


 I am not really sure, but I would chalk it up to some sort of hydraulic issue.

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2008, 06:16:22 PM »
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Wow.  What were they doing?  Dogfighting?  And why did the rear gears deploy after the cockpit seperated?  Like to hear eagl's thoughts on this.


Probably the same as when you watch old ww2 films.. If the gears are held up by hydraulic pressure. Lose it and they flop down because there is nothing to hold them in place other than the pressure.
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2008, 07:18:19 PM »
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Probably the same as when you watch old ww2 films.. If the gears are held up by hydraulic pressure. Lose it and they flop down because there is nothing to hold them in place other than the pressure.


Sunds right.  I know for a fact in the F16 there is a handle in the cockpit that you can pull a certain handle that will send hydrolic fluid all over the place for putting the gear down in emergancy situations.

The pilots lucky he didn't punch into the to aft portion of the break up.

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2008, 07:27:26 PM »
That simulation video is slowed down. That all happened really fast. Even so that would suck to eject only to hit your aircraft.

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2008, 07:36:30 PM »
I'm actually amazed the pilot didn't black out when that happened. Can you imagine the amount of G's he must have pulled.

I was also thinking the same thing about what if he hit the fuselage when ejecting.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2008, 07:49:07 PM »
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Wow.  What were they doing?  Dogfighting?  And why did the rear gears deploy after the cockpit seperated?  Like to hear eagl's thoughts on this.


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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2008, 08:18:47 PM »
There are any number of reasons the landing gear could have come down.  The primary landing gear handle is not directly mechanically connected, however the alternate gear extension lever is a mechanical connection so if that connection were pulled as the cockpit separated, it could have activated the emergency landing gear extension mechanism.  

edit - losing utility hydraulics should not automatically lower the landing gear.  There are mechanical uplocks that would not automatically release with simple loss of utility hydraulic pressure.  That said, the hydraulic system is very complex and tearing off the nose, which has hydraulic components, could have weird results due to either hydraulic system effects or other mechanical issues with the various actuation systems that run from the cockpit to the rest of the plane.

But really it could be almost anything and without reading the actual engineering analysis, it's just speculation.

As for the maneuvers, it appeared to be a standard BFM setup.  The beeping you heard was either an angle of attack or G limit warning (not sure, I never heard what the F-15C tones sound like) so there was some maneuvering going on at the time.

I was a bit suprised to see the nose ripping off upwards rather than downwards, but a failure of one component while pulling G's might not result in the nose ripping off until the G's were relaxed if the failed part was not required to hold the nose on while pulling G's, but was actually required to hold the nose on during lower G flight.  A part that is under tension while pulling G's and under compression when not pulling G's (or vice-versa), could certainly fail under G loading but not result in a catastrophic breakup until the G's were reduced.
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2008, 12:39:02 AM »
If the aeroplane was doing 400 knots and the nose ripped off the aerodynamic forces would easily lift the nose section like a piece of paper when you throw it in the air.

What one would expect however is that the rest of the aeroplane would also climb steeply when the weight distribution changed dramatically.
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2008, 12:51:23 AM »
I wonder how many G's that pilot endured in the breakup, then the ejection?

What model did you fly, eagl?

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2008, 07:43:58 AM »
I don't know much about aerodynamics but I do know a few things about tensile strength of metal under high stress like that must have been. It doesn't tear away like you would think it should.
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2008, 01:34:12 PM »
Yikes!  That would have been scarey as crap.  Hope he got out ok.

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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2008, 02:59:15 PM »
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I wonder how many G's that pilot endured in the breakup, then the ejection?

What model did you fly, eagl?


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