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« on: January 19, 2008, 04:10:07 PM »
Canada: U.S. Added To Torture Watch List
Foreign Ministry Manual Lists Guantanamo Bay Prison As Site Of Possible Abuse
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Talk... insult... abuse each other.  I'm sure most of you will insult and abuse me.  I'm embarrassed the country that showed the most incredible restraint after World War 2, and demanded that law be followed... is in any way shape or form associated with torture.  I would hope we hold our government accountable for it and to us.




The United States has been included among a list of countries suspected of using torture on prisoners, produced by the Canadian Foreign Ministry. (AP)

(CBS) A training manual for Canadian diplomats, produced by the Department of Foreign Affairs, includes the United States among countries which potentially use torture on prisoners.

The New York Times reported that a foreign ministry spokesperson confirmed the contents of the manual.

However, Canadian government employees struggled to assure that the attribution was not an official government position against the United States, a close ally.

Also on the torture watch list: Afghanistan, China, Egypt, Iran, Israel, Mexico, Saudi Arabia and Syria.

The ruling Conservative government has heretofore accepted assurances by the Bush administration that the United States does not engage in torture against prisoners, including detainees at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

A Canadian man, Omar Khadr, is currently being held at the U.S. military prison there. He is accused of a 2002 killing a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan when he was 15 years old.

Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler, Khadr's U.S. military lawyer, told Canadian broadcaster CTV that he believes the manual contradicts Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper's assurances that his client has received fair treatment.

"Omar has been there for five-and-a-half years, and at some point in the course of Omar Khadr's detention the Canadian government developed the suspicion he was being tortured and abused," Kuebler told the news program "Canada AM."

"And yet it has not acted to obtain his release from Guantanamo Bay and protect his rights, unlike every other Western country that has had its nationals detained in Guantanamo Bay."

A United States Embassy spokesperson told Reuters, “The United States does not permit, tolerate or condone torture under any circumstances.”

The manual - a PowerPoint presentation - is for training diplomats in protecting Canadian citizens who may be detained and subject to abuse in other countries.

CTV said the manual listed, among specific U.S. interrogation techniques, "forced nudity, isolation, and sleep deprivation."

The program was developed as part of a "torture awareness workshop," in response to the case of Maher Arar, a Canadian citizen, born in Syria, who was detained by the United States in 2002 under suspicion that he was tied to terrorists. Arar was transported to Syria. A Canadian inquiry later determined he was tortured there.
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2008, 04:17:10 PM »
It's about symantics, they aren't prisoners of war.  They are terrorist information units.
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2008, 04:20:20 PM »
"forced nudity, isolation, and sleep deprivation."

i guess that is considered torture in Canada.

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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2008, 04:33:10 PM »
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"forced nudity, isolation, and sleep deprivation."

i guess that is considered torture in Canada.


Actually, those AND waterboarding appear in the US Army's Definitions of Torture.  Please feel free to look it up.  It's an amazing example of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is saying.
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2008, 04:43:25 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2008, 04:51:30 PM »
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Yep... nothing like getting a phone call from old GWB telling you to stop whatever you're doing in your own country.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2008, 04:53:58 PM »
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Yep... nothing like getting a phone call from old GWB telling you to stop whatever you're doing in your own country.


For Moray:

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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2008, 05:04:50 PM »
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For Moray:

Standard Equipment for guys like Moray I think


Dago... you must know if they work by now.

It's not a conspiracy, btw, if it happens.  I guess you're implying there was no pressure from this government on theirs to "revise" that training program....
If you really believe that...
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2008, 05:07:08 PM »
The entire training manual program was started as the result of the case of Maher Arar who was detained by the U.S. in 2002 because he was under suspicion of having ties to terrorists.  He was later deported to Syria, where, according to a Canadian inquiry, it was determined that he was tortured.

The wording of the article is most enlightening:

....a list of countries "suspected"...

...countries which "potentially" use torture...

...Canadian government officials struggled to assure that the attribution was "NOT an official government position" against the U.S...



The manual only came to light as the result of the efforts of a lawyer for a Muslim citizen of Canada trying to drum up sympathy for his client's plight.  The young killer of an U.S. soldier has been detained for over five years at Guantanamo Bay.  The lawyer has cited the manual as proof that the Canadian government does not believe U.S. assurances that the young man is not being tortured.

No proof is given that the young man is, indeed, being tortured.  The allegations are spurious at best, and completely transparent as to their intent.

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2008, 05:27:05 PM »
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Canada: U.S. Added To Torture Watch List
Foreign Ministry Manual Lists Guantanamo Bay Prison As Site Of Possible Abuse
Jan. 18, 2008

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Talk... insult... abuse each other.  I'm sure most of you will insult and abuse me.  I'm embarrassed the country that showed the most incredible restraint after World War 2, and demanded that law be followed... is in any way shape or form associated with torture.  I would hope we hold our government accountable for it and to us.




The United States has been included among a list of countries suspected of using torture on prisoners, produced by the Canadian Foreign Ministry. (AP)

(CBS) A training manual for Canadian diplomats, produced by the Department of Foreign Affairs, includes the United States among countries which potentially use torture on prisoners.

The New York Times reported that a foreign ministry spokesperson confirmed the contents of the manual.

However, Canadian government employees struggled to assure that the attribution was not an official government position against the United States, a close ally.

Also on the torture watch list: Afghanistan, China, Egypt, Iran, Israel, Mexico, Saudi Arabia and Syria.

The ruling Conservative government has heretofore accepted assurances by the Bush administration that the United States does not engage in torture against prisoners, including detainees at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

A Canadian man, Omar Khadr, is currently being held at the U.S. military prison there. He is accused of a 2002 killing a U.S. soldier in Afghanistan when he was 15 years old.

Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler, Khadr's U.S. military lawyer, told Canadian broadcaster CTV that he believes the manual contradicts Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper's assurances that his client has received fair treatment.

"Omar has been there for five-and-a-half years, and at some point in the course of Omar Khadr's detention the Canadian government developed the suspicion he was being tortured and abused," Kuebler told the news program "Canada AM."

"And yet it has not acted to obtain his release from Guantanamo Bay and protect his rights, unlike every other Western country that has had its nationals detained in Guantanamo Bay."

A United States Embassy spokesperson told Reuters, “The United States does not permit, tolerate or condone torture under any circumstances.”

The manual - a PowerPoint presentation - is for training diplomats in protecting Canadian citizens who may be detained and subject to abuse in other countries.

CTV said the manual listed, among specific U.S. interrogation techniques, "forced nudity, isolation, and sleep deprivation."

The program was developed as part of a "torture awareness workshop," in response to the case of Maher Arar, a Canadian citizen, born in Syria, who was detained by the United States in 2002 under suspicion that he was tied to terrorists. Arar was transported to Syria. A Canadian inquiry later determined he was tortured there.
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2008, 06:25:18 PM »
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"forced nudity, isolation, and sleep deprivation."

i guess that is considered torture in Canada.

Heck, I hear that costs you $1000 with a hooker in Canaduh! ;)

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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2008, 06:29:52 PM »
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"forced nudity, isolation, and sleep deprivation."

i guess that is considered torture in Canada.


 It could have been far worse.  Its not like they were forced to listen to Celine Dion albums.

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2008, 09:51:01 PM »
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Yep... nothing like getting a phone call from old GWB telling you to stop whatever you're doing in your own country.


Are you suggesting that Canada has no backbone or moral fiber?
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2008, 10:46:50 PM »
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Are you suggesting that Canada has no backbone or moral fiber?


Canadian military served bravely in Afghanistan.
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2008, 11:02:37 PM »
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Canadian military served bravely in Afghanistan.


I'm only asking what Moray is implying?
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