Author Topic: stealing is stealing! (Read 3660 times)

Dastrdly · « **on:** January 20, 2008, 07:29:51 AM »

when i fly i fly to dogfight im usually in a lower classed plane with lighter ammo. i try to avoid the hordes & furballs. i fly the edges or use darbars to track/head off individuall planes. i like to fly/start at a decent alt....15k tops. i put alot of time into my flights between gaining alt & trying to actually find something away from the masses. other wise i end up with a whole lot of assists.

their has been some talk on 200/country about there being no such thing as a 'steal' most comon replys are 'u played with your food to long' or 'looked like you needed help'

alot of my fights do take time, working from a bad position or avoiding to get a reversal, always flying against higher classed planes.

there is nothing worst that putting that time & effort in just to have a friendly come along after i have wore my apponent down & pluck them out of my site or run my apponent off. usually guys that fly strait into the swarm over & over with no plan or planning....lookinf for easiest softest way to get a kill.

i hate 'pickers' to begin with always looking for an easy shot but friendly picks in my books are worst of all!!!!!

funniest thing about it is i fly on lowest numbered side just so there is lots of targets to go around!

Ghastly · « **Reply #1 on:** January 20, 2008, 07:48:19 AM »

IMO, if you want to duel, find someplace away from a furball or better yet go to the DA to get your fix.

90% of the time when I'm in a furball and I deliberately let another pilot play around with guy he's trying to kill, I end up regretting it - he get's his butt killed and then I've got not only the new guys coming in with alt to deal with, but the guy that I could have easily taken out a few minutes before climbing up my backside too.

It ain't a deli, where you get to take a number and then wait your turn....

P.S. I almost always fly on the low-numbered side too, so I'm usually working against a numbers disadvantage to begin with. There's a big difference between the 1 v 2 or 1 v 3 (if you get killed playing around) and the 2 v 1 or 2 v 2 that is the case when we clear the bad guy you're piddling around with first, and then deal with the guys coming in.

pervert · « **Reply #2 on:** January 20, 2008, 08:36:22 AM »

This happens me all the time and i would love to the kilshooter to be switched off! But my personal fav is being on a con shootin and starting to see tracers and pings hit ur plane only to find theres 8 friendlys at distance behind u sprayin at con! Its even more amusin once u nail your hard caught con u get assist! Yippee what a waste of 10 mins of ur life. Theres no point gettin annoyed about it'll never change

SlapShot · « **Reply #3 on:** January 20, 2008, 08:38:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Ghastly
IMO, if you want to duel, find someplace away from a furball or better yet go to the DA to get your fix.

90% of the time when I'm in a furball and I deliberately let another pilot play around with guy he's trying to kill, I end up regretting it - he get's his butt killed and then I've got not only the new guys coming in with alt to deal with, but the guy that I could have easily taken out a few minutes before climbing up my backside too.

It ain't a deli, where you get to take a number and then wait your turn....

P.S. I almost always fly on the low-numbered side too, so I'm usually working against a numbers disadvantage to begin with. There's a big difference between the 1 v 2 or 1 v 3 (if you get killed playing around) and the 2 v 1 or 2 v 2 that is the case when we clear the bad guy you're piddling around with first, and then deal with the guys coming in.

He said that he avoids furballs and the horde ... he flys the fringes ... so his complaint does no stem from fighting in a furball. Yes ... in a furball, all bets are off.

I know exactly what he is talking about, and he has every right to be pissed, but that is the mentality of those playing the game ... especially in the LW arenas.

A simple question is all that is needed before dropping in ... "Hey Dastrdly, you need a hand there ?"

Helm · « **Reply #4 on:** January 20, 2008, 08:48:40 AM »

I aggree. I can't tell you how many times a fellow country man sweeps in to "save" me from the guy in my gunsight. I do exactlly as you do, I fly 1942-43 airplanes and look for smaller unit actions. No i'm NOT looking for duels ....

Helm ...out

Ghastly · « **Reply #5 on:** January 20, 2008, 09:17:31 AM »

Sorry - the fringes of a furball is still the furball -and when "his kills are getting picked by the nameless rabble that's flying straight into the furball" as he's stating, then he's at the furball.

I ask before I give a fellow a hand when he and a con are low and there's no one around - partly out of selfishness, in that I don't want to throw the alt since I fly older planes that don't climb as well generally too.

But that "duel in the middle of nowhere" doesn't sound like what he's describing to me - he's saying he's picking his cons at the edge of the furball, and wants everyone to stay hands off.

That's not likely, and not really reasonable either. IMO of course.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2008, 09:28:54 AM »

um...yeah...there is a reason the p40b is so high ENY, because youre likely not to get the bonuses of flying the la7 such as 500mph kill steals and surviving more than 2 minutes against the alt monkeys and furballers and dweeb rides and vulchers and dont forget the trees.

dont mean to be unfair, but there is a late/mid/early war for a reason.

how can anyone complain when the attendance in your favorite aircraft's designated arena is below 15 people.

it's like losing a gun fight with your knife and then complaining whilst still refusing to sign up for the knife fights.

Dastrdly · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2008, 09:43:36 AM »

dont mean to be unfair, but there is a late/mid/early war for a reason.

how can anyone complain when the attendance in your favorite aircraft's designated arena is below 15 people.

it's like losing a gun fight with your knife and then complaining whilst still refusing to sign up for the knife fights. [/B][/QUOTE]

im not compaining about competeing & winning most fights against late models

....wasnt my point!

dont matter what your flying... dropping in on an obvious fight with out so much as a thank u for setting up an easy kill ....is just plain rude & anoying

Bronk · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2008, 09:56:35 AM »

Flying at 15k on the fringes of a fight, hoping to pick off those low fuel/ammo/e is hardy fair.

Bosco123 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2008, 10:21:52 AM »

This is the only time I did not appreciate the kill steal.
I am flying around and I spot a goon. I get on his six then all of a sudden he gets killed. I look around and I see a freindly right behind me. I tell him that wasn't cool bud, he says that "oh who gives achit about who gets the kill. I told him when someone spots a goon and cals it out, its just right that he gets the kill. He started ranting and by that time I squelched him.

I I am in the MA I know that it will be few and far between when I will get a one on one.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2008, 10:36:19 AM »

I know what he means. I fly around those areas where there are small enemy dar-bars hoping to find a decent one on one, two or three. I still furball on occasion but only on occasion.

Just yesterday I was tooling around in a 109E-4. I'd see a dot on dar and fly toward it. By the time I got there a friendly LaLa had zoomed from a half sector away, right by me to take the kill just before I arrived. This happened twice. The second one, the friendly had turned and was headed the opposite direction and turned back almost a sector for the guy I was headed for.

Can't really complain about it though. Everyone wants a kill but it does get a little frustarting flying slower planes like the 109E-4, Spit I, FM-2 or Hurri outside the furballs When there's not a lot of cons around and another friendly or two in an uber ride.

I get more frustrated when you're in one of these planes and the small dar bar turns into a hoard and the enemy feels they still need to gang you for the kill but I guess that's just the mine, mine, mine syndrome. Not very sporting but it is what it is.

[EDIT] BTW, I did finally get a kill in that E-4, and of all things... it was a LaLa

WWM · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2008, 11:30:26 AM »

I was at a base that had 4 190's deacking and vulching. Three of four of us were able to get up and by the time I had some airspeed up and in the fight it was 2 on 2. I seen a friendly on one so I went after the other one that had a fuel leak. I chased him (heading back towards our airstrip) and killed him over the field. I then got grumbled at for stealing his kill because he punctured the fuel tank. I felt bad but this con was heading back to our base (1K out) and I know I have flown for quite a while and still engaged with a fuel leak. I will stay away from this friendly from now on.
Anyway. I try to always ask and if I see more then 2 on a con I usually pull off but keep an eye on things if there is nothing else to engage.

Connery · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2008, 11:37:11 AM »

Conversely when having a 1on1 i find very annoying when during a fight, which both parties "seem" to be enjoying that one of his her countrymen comes in and just picks....sign of a very poor player in my opinion..

I realise it's the MA and thats what happens, but earlier today it's now happened to me 2 or 3 times....latterly whilst fighting a spit8 and on both occasions our turn fights were actually FUN, the first one I had advantange and the second one the spit8 would probably have killed me anyway...

For the love of god, you might want to ask countrymen if they need help before just jumping in with your wellington boots on

BaldEagl · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2008, 11:37:31 AM »

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Originally posted by WWM
I was at a base that had 4 190's deacking and vulching. Three of four of us were able to get up and by the time I had some airspeed up and in the fight it was 2 on 2. I seen a friendly on one so I went after the other one that had a fuel leak. I chased him (heading back towards our airstrip) and killed him over the field. I then got grumbled at for stealing his kill because he punctured the fuel tank. I felt bad but this con was heading back to our base (1K out) and I know I have flown for quite a while and still engaged with a fuel leak. I will stay away from this friendly from now on.
Anyway. I try to always ask and if I see more then 2 on a con I usually pull off but keep an eye on things if there is nothing else to engage.

Fuel leaks mean nothing. In the F6F-5 I've often had the aux tank shot out after it was already empty. Main tanks still give you around 30 minutes or so. That shot-out empty tank still leaves a vapor trail BTW.

190's have 2-3 tanks depending on model.

Mus51 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2008, 12:53:54 PM »

Another whine has been recorded.