Author Topic: stealing is stealing! (Read 3675 times)

choker41 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 20, 2008, 07:58:28 PM »

Yeager, you summed it up brilliantly

Gwjr2, I understand your point, but many people don't have a mic, and it is not easy to type whilst manoeuvring in a fighter.

I tried the hand signals once and that didn't work either. I get ticked when in a base defense and there is only 1.2.or 3 planes left and I'm battleing a con when 5 friendlies dive in to help. I mean cmon why so many planes knights. Funny thing is I kill them just before the 5 planes dive in and then they shootem while falling to the ground. Some knights are getting very frustrating to work with. Please just have some common courtesy so we all can enjoy flying with another. Salute to all Bishops and Rooks. To all my fellow Countrymen an even bigger Salute to you.

BiGBMAW · « **Reply #31 on:** January 20, 2008, 10:16:46 PM »

i rarely use my mic..it lays on the floor..

I fly Cannon birds....One Shot one kill.....

But I'm an Ace of Aces..so.. when i shoot at things that are moving they 'splode"

You can thank me in the morning

Let the whines begin

trax1 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 20, 2008, 10:41:46 PM »

I feel the same way about this, anytime I come upon a fight between 2 planes I always ask if the fighter needs help, or ask if he has them, it's just common courtesy. Theres nothing worse then when your in a really good 1 on 1 fight and another plane comes in to join the fight without asking first.

clerick · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2008, 12:03:36 AM »

I'll ask too, and i appreciate i when others ask.

I have on more then one occasion used kill shooter to teach a kill stealer a lesson. I'm saddled up on a bird and i see friendly tacers coming over me, i'll pull up into them. Problem solved.

Yeager · « **Reply #34 on:** January 21, 2008, 12:09:39 AM »

anytime I come upon a fight between 2 planes I always ask if the fighter needs help
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I think most people who play this game feel the same way.

Some thoughts about MA style tactics:

Most of the time I can tell if a guy is running for his life or needs help otherwise without having to ask.

Also, if you know a person is a decent stick and can take care of himself you just stay nearby in case he loses the fight.

Alot of times a guy is so caught up in the fight he cant take the time to express his need for help. And when you leave a guy to his 1 vs 1 he will often get angry about being left alone.

Best method, always make yourself available to come in with an advantage and whenever the chance looks good and you know what your doing you should just take it.

Domin · « **Reply #35 on:** January 21, 2008, 01:12:17 AM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
He said that he avoids furballs and the horde ... he flys the fringes ... so his complaint does no stem from fighting in a furball. Yes ... in a furball, all bets are off.

I know exactly what he is talking about, and he has every right to be pissed, but that is the mentality of those playing the game ... especially in the LW arenas.

A simple question is all that is needed before dropping in ... "Hey Dastrdly, you need a hand there ?"

Ding.

Wingnutt · « **Reply #36 on:** January 21, 2008, 01:28:11 AM »

Ill add to this mix

2 days ago I was defending a base, I was at 15K orbiting in an A5 the airfield on the lookout for bombers..

well low and behold a P47 comes in, there are a few other friendlies below but all in slow planes (spits) so I dive on this guy as he goes for the pork.. I follow him down..

he ends up on the deck with me on him and the other friendlies behind me..

he starts a steep climb and I take his wing off..

hes keeps traveling upwards for a sec or 2 then then begins spiriling down..

I look back and see Bruin behind me just pumping this guy full of ammo as hes falling,..

he gets the kill and on range remarks "i didnt think that guy would ever go down"

I replied "well you made sure of that didnt you"

he knew exactly what i was implying and shot back..

"well, I had been fighting that guy a long time, so dont worry about it!"

which was an outright lie but whatever..

well, i gues if ya cant do the job your self, let someone else do it and hyena the corpse.

goober69 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 21, 2008, 08:14:26 AM »

lol same thing hapens to me all the time in the nik usualy someone will take a wing off the bandit i have cornered. then i just go after the corpse its my kill anyway i worked for it.
no big deal anyway. but its agravating when im firing at a con and someone swoops in front of me and im istadead.

not saying kill shooter should be off but why couldnt they just make it where freindly bullets had no effect? like the ta.

Shuffler · « **Reply #38 on:** January 21, 2008, 08:23:42 AM »

Not all are steals...

Just last night I was in a fight with a jug low on the deck. He looped and I turned up left then rolled onto his 6. Another friendly did not see me on the bird and he jumped in.... as I saddled up I heard a plane behind me and chk 6 to see this friendly on fire (killshooter). He came in never seeing me. Sometimes it just happens.

Yeager · « **Reply #39 on:** January 21, 2008, 11:58:40 AM »

Ding.
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Dong ?

From my perspective in game this problem of kill stealing just isn't an issue.
What we have here in this thread is a minor whinefest. Nothing more....

SlapShot · « **Reply #40 on:** January 21, 2008, 12:01:25 PM »

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Originally posted by goober69
not saying kill shooter should be off but why couldnt they just make it where freindly bullets had no effect? like the ta.

Because ... that would be like turning kill shooter off ? ...

parin · « **Reply #41 on:** January 21, 2008, 12:49:08 PM »

Parin: "You need a hand with that guy"

Player: "No I got him"

Parin: "Cool"

Player: "oh he is Good HELP!!!"

-Parin Shoots his wing off-

-Player follows bad guy down shooting to get kill-

Parin: "wtf"

Player: "He was good I wanted the kill & I engaged first"

Gwjr2 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 21, 2008, 02:42:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Yossarian
Yeager, you summed it up brilliantly

Gwjr2, I understand your point, but many people don't have a mic, and it is not easy to type whilst manoeuvring in a fighter.

Thats true but we did it for 3 years before we had Vox and worked just fine and I agree with Yeager 100%

Hey BBQmaw good to see ya but um that would be like 100% hit right

BBQmaw Kills Hit Percentage 6.70 hmmm must be AH server error

WMLute · « **Reply #43 on:** January 21, 2008, 02:49:40 PM »

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Originally posted by parin
Parin: "You need a hand with that guy"

Player: "No I got him"

Parin: "Cool"

Player: "oh he is Good HELP!!!"

-Parin Shoots his wing off-

-Player follows bad guy down shooting to get kill-

Parin: "wtf"

Player: "He was good I wanted the kill & I engaged first"

I have many players on my "watch them die and THEN kill the bad guy that killed 'em" list.

Simaril · « **Reply #44 on:** January 21, 2008, 03:38:06 PM »

It happens to all of us, and yes it's part of being in the MA. That alone ough to be enough to reduce the frustration, but sometimes it takes a little more.

When it's particularly aggravating, I've found 3 things that help me keep cool about it:

1. I tell myself that no one could have stolen the kill if I had killed them faster or more definitively. (after all, you can't throw more rounds into an expanding cloud of flaming gases.)

2. Whenever possible, I maneuver INTO the tracers of shoulder shooters -- even if it means I lose a kill. Nothing is quite as sweet as seeing a kill stealer lose a wing... Having that kind of poetic justice is built into the game gives it a big advantage over real life!

3. IMHO, most kill stealers are either occasional transgressors having a bad day (I've thrown some rounds into a carcass in my day, much to my shame), or they're newer guys desperate for a kill, any kill. However, I have a mental list of the few thoroughly selfish guys I've run into. They will not get a check 6 or a clear from me.....and as the Klingons say, revenge is a dish best served cold!