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Offline Ghastly

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« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2008, 01:46:42 PM »
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I release with the 2 X 20mm of my Macci and the con was rend in twain. Just about that time a friendly comes in 6 X .50s blazing away.


Just a friendly reminder....

In this instance - similar to when "someone is shooting over your shoulder" it all depends upon the aggregate lag between you and the other player who sees what happen when (and where).

Just as from each of your points of view the other player may appear to be shooting over your shoulder when you each see yourself as the closest to the enemy, when you see someone fire within about a half second or less of when you fire, they may have appeared to have fired first on their own FE, and be thinking the same thoughts about you.

(Obviously, this "grace" is usually only about a 1/4 to 1/2 second long (at the most) the majority of the time - unless the guy is playing from Australia or Japan - and doesn't excuse the guys who follow a half a plane down trying to shoot it.)  

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« Reply #61 on: January 22, 2008, 02:07:48 PM »
the same guy who whines about getting his kills stolen will post about not being helped next week....if you have 10 minutes in a setup...you need to learn to shoot.

I promise that if there are 2 badguys including yours I won't avoid killing the one you're fighting because sure enough if I had a shot and didn't take it...odds are that guy will pick me while I'm engaged with the other one after he kills you. Sometimes it sucks...but it's better than losing a nearby friendly and ultimately getting shot down if it could've been avoided by wingin up to kill all the badguys.

Sorry to ramble but this post is a silly whine imo..we all get frustrated from time to time.

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« Reply #62 on: January 22, 2008, 08:54:44 PM »
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Because bailing out is for wussies.  Honestly, the only real reason to bail out in this game is for score purposes.  Whether you bail out or ride the plane to the ground, the result is still the same, in the tower with a brand new plane waiting for you to take off in.


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Wrong.  Bailing virtually guarantees the guy who shot your plane into an uncontrollable hulk will get the kill instead of the guy looking for harmless hulks to shoot at.  Enter-Enter-Enter Dot E F Enter gets you into the tower, into your plane, and back into the fight much quicker than riding it down.  (Surely you know this to be so given the altitudes from which you plummet.  ;))

So, there are two reasons that are not score related to bail, the result is surely NOT the same, and therefore the claim of it being for "wussies" as opposed to those who have given it some thought is null and void.  Three strikes, you're out.  :D
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Re: stealing is stealing!
« Reply #63 on: January 23, 2008, 08:58:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Dastrdly
when i fly i fly to dogfight im usually in a lower classed plane with lighter ammo. i try to avoid the hordes & furballs. i fly the edges or use darbars to track/head off individuall planes. i like to fly/start at a decent alt....15k tops. i put alot of time into my flights between gaining alt & trying to actually find something away from the masses. other wise i end up with a whole lot of assists.

their has been some talk on 200/country about there being no such thing as a 'steal' most comon replys are 'u played with your food to long' or 'looked like you needed help'

alot of my  fights do take time, working from a bad position or avoiding to get a reversal, always flying against higher classed planes.

there is nothing worst that putting that time & effort in just to have a friendly come along after i have wore my apponent down & pluck them out of my site or run my apponent off. usually guys that fly strait into the swarm over & over with no plan or planning....lookinf for easiest softest way to get a kill.

i hate 'pickers' to begin with always looking for an easy shot but friendly picks in my books are worst of all!!!!!

funniest thing about it is i fly on lowest numbered side just so there is lots of targets to go around!




Knowing you as I do ...Dick Dastardly.  I have some thoughts and comments to add however, I know that any reasoning with you will not be taken in.  It takes you about a year of banging your head against a brick wall before it finally dawns on you.

Caught you in the furball conga line twice the other day.  Once on the deck and once at 15k.  If your a red plane in a sea of green the tower awaits your impending arrival, irrespective of who gets the kill.  If you think 1v1's exist in this situation you are deluded beyond reasonable belief.  All your  typing on 200 isn't going to change it.

Random thoughts and comments in no particular order......Kill stealing is ONLY when you have plainly killed the guy and a friendly pumps the carcase full of ammo on the way down.  Can't live in the melee then stay outta it.  The edge of the furball is, get this, still the furball.  Weak guns beget assists.  An anvil gets hammered.  Your SA is dreadful. Be vocal on vox and TELL friendlies to "please stay out" of your fight.  Kill quicker before your problem is likely to be someone else's problem and fair game. (see weak gun comment) Learn to lead your shots better (see your hit percent).  Lot of newbies don't know whats what.  DA arena is the only true 1v1 arena.  MA is a mix of etiquette, common courtesy and bloody luck when we talk of MA 1v1's.  It's not a god given right.  Yes it's rude for a guy to blast your hard fought for quarry but get this.....it's the MA.  It's going to happen.  

If your thread was pertaining to one particular player consistently cherry picking your fights then I would wholeheartedly be with you.  There have been players that habitually did this under the guise of "clearing your 6",  even though the foe is clearly at your 12 O'clock.  They'll engage your con rather than the con coming into your six then get the con that gets you.  These guys are worth shaming for their gutless kill tactics.  Or as I do... set them up to be killed.  However, your thread doesn't do this.  You mention one incident by one player.  Again.... it's the jungle commonly referred to as the MA.

There's a wall around here somewhere...go knock yourself out:rofl
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« Reply #64 on: January 23, 2008, 09:26:31 AM »
"when i fly i fly to dogfight im usually in a lower classed plane with lighter ammo."
"Weak guns beget assists."

Hell I fly the baddest ride in the game and I get 'helped" almost to distraction. Commonly, if I have vox I'll shoot out a "thanks for the help". Most of the "vets" have the presence of mind to use discretion when entering an ongoing fight but I bet we all have a set of mitigating circumstances when we break our own rules of engagement.

When I started playing I took a shot at an icon with tracers coming my way. It was a lawn darting spit and I couldn't tell. I also took hits. And I also got a lot of grief from the guy who took the spit apart to begin with. Just the other day I had some ch200 nonsense about picking in a 1v1 fight 3K OVER A BASE. The friendly later thanked me.

I know I've "stolen" kills, mostly by accident.  There's even a guy who I'll do my dangdest to make sure he gets 100% assists. But I make an effort to stay away from conga lines or friendlies pursuing single enemies. Unless there's an imminent threat (buffs ready to drop etc.) or it's a revenge thing and I need to be the guy who gets the kill.

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« Reply #65 on: January 23, 2008, 12:58:09 PM »
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Wrong.  Bailing virtually guarantees the guy who shot your plane into an uncontrollable hulk will get the kill instead of the guy looking for harmless hulks to shoot at.  Enter-Enter-Enter Dot E F Enter gets you into the tower, into your plane, and back into the fight much quicker than riding it down.  (Surely you know this to be so given the altitudes from which you plummet.  ;))

So, there are two reasons that are not score related to bail, the result is surely NOT the same, and therefore the claim of it being for "wussies" as opposed to those who have given it some thought is null and void.  Three strikes, you're out.  :D



So I take it you're one of the wussies?


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« Reply #66 on: January 23, 2008, 01:01:21 PM »
Whats worse is when the guy drops in, kills the guy the working on, and 2 seconds later you're shot down by someone you didn't see. Or maybe when you're in trouble, fighting 2 or three, and they go for the guy in front of you and not the one turning back in on your 6. It's like you want to say "Gee I was doing better on my own."

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« Reply #67 on: January 23, 2008, 03:28:38 PM »
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Originally posted by Yeager
too bad they dont have a rescue option built into the game, where you can attach yourself from the ground to a vehicle , a jeep or C47 for instance, then if you get back to a vbase or afield then you get to retain your sortie stats and the rescuer gets perks as well.

Someone go put this idea on the wishlist.


That idea has been on the wish list for years.


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« Reply #68 on: January 23, 2008, 05:51:06 PM »
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
So I take it you're one of the wussies?


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« Reply #69 on: January 23, 2008, 07:53:31 PM »
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Originally posted by shiningpathb4me
Whats worse is when the guy drops in, kills the guy the working on, and 2 seconds later you're shot down by someone you didn't see. Or maybe when you're in trouble, fighting 2 or three, and they go for the guy in front of you and not the one turning back in on your 6. It's like you want to say "Gee I was doing better on my own."



HAAA!!!!, I've had this happen. The guy peels off his guy, shoots my con out of my gunsight, then his guy is on my 6 shooting me to pieces.
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« Reply #70 on: January 24, 2008, 12:50:46 AM »
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Reading comprehension not your strong suit?


Nope, you pretty much said you bail out, so that makes you one of the wussies.  

I also don't see how you can blame the player that doesn't bail for the kill steal.  He's not the one making those other planes shoot at the wreckage, so you really should place the blame where it belongs and not on the guy that rides the plane down.

So I put it do you again, those that bail do so to preserve what score they can manage out of a failed sortie.  

Why do you bail out?  I bet it's not out of some pathetic self held honor to prevent the enemy from having his kill stolen.  You do so to try and squeeze what ever score you can from the mission.


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« Reply #71 on: January 24, 2008, 03:51:08 AM »
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Because bailing out is for wussies.  Honestly, the only real reason to bail out in this game is for score purposes.  Whether you bail out or ride the plane to the ground, the result is still the same, in the tower with a brand new plane waiting for you to take off in.


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I'll interject on this one.  I bail out when ever possible and it's not to preserve me score which admittedly it does do.  Firstly I bail out because that's what a pilot would have done.  I understand I'm not actually getting me face melted away by fire sat at me PC with cigs and drinks.  I'm not about to have me face pinned to me monitor by G force either....just that's what a pilot would have done.  Secondly it's way quicker to start a new sortie with bail dot EF.  Why would I ride it in the 5 or 10k down to be towered when within a SECOND I can be there?  Thirdly it's interesting to know who got the shot on me and not the potential kill stealer.

Buy me a pink frock if that makes me a wussie but those that habitually ride it in are just plain "fick" and waist their time.

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« Reply #72 on: January 24, 2008, 04:21:13 AM »
Best thing to do when you get your kill stolen is to get in a fast bird with lots-o-cannon, and follow the thief around and kill every single plane he pionts his nose at. Makes it alot better when your a smartass about it and say something on VOX everytime like "wow that was close, I almost let you have that one."
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« Reply #73 on: January 24, 2008, 09:06:26 AM »
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Best thing to do when you get your kill stolen is to get in a fast bird with lots-o-cannon, and follow the thief around and kill every single plane he pionts his nose at. Makes it alot better when your a smartass about it and say something on VOX everytime like "wow that was close, I almost let you have that one."



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« Reply #74 on: January 24, 2008, 11:42:42 AM »
Hmm...I would have just ignored him and had a good time doing my own thing..but to each their own :aok

If someone is shooting over your shoulder and you dont want them too....PULL UP and absorb a few pings :D

But any vet who furballs will tell you that the faster the enemy planes die the less guns to get solution on you and the better likelihood that more friendlies will survive...so i shoot anything that is in front of me...and flaming japanese planes...sorry if i steal a kill but those bastards burn for a long time to ignore them out of respect for whoever flamed them...not gonna have them turn in on me while im engaging a non-kill steal con.

See the MA is a team based arena...hence countries (teams), bases, other teams to fight etc.   So it is not crazy to assume a teammate who doesnt call you off may need help...and even if he/she doesnt think they need help it is still in the team's interest to kill other teams players efficiently (from a game perspective).   If you choose to use the MA (as many do) to be a lonewolf and create your own scenarios then you have to accept the other dynamics that come along with your decision...not whine about the fact the other 99% weren't aware of your personal game.

and when i have a kill stolen...so be it...take a deep breath and pump more steel into them next time...if you make them explode they cant credit anyone else...

Soooo relax....have fun....its a game and if you are ANY GOOD AT ALL a few kills here and there should not cause you enough stress to post about the evils of kill stealers...seriously:huh
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