Dweeb Planes

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by waystin2
Thanks for filling in some details Yarbles.  You know how these posts can head downhill to worthless schoolyard taunting...

Oink

Agreed, I get discouraged by the underdeveloped attitude of the whole dweeb, tard, hoed he ran away brigade on here who jealously guard their own insecurities by labelling others. Oh b.gg.r I ve just done it myself.

We all have equal access to the best planes. I dont like the La 7 except when Iam in a spit when the guy in the La likes me even less. If i am up high in a pony spits dont scare me or La's but if I dive in I hate La's.Iam glad the tempest is perked.

Johnnie Johnson one of the greatest Uk aces of WW2 reckoned the spit was the best close in fighter of the war. I expect he was right

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by Treize69
Pretty much anything that horrendously outclasses the opposition counts in my book ie- Spit 9s against 109Es and A6M2s, 109Gs against Spit Is, P-51s against A6M2s and Vals... etc.

I have to disagree with this, as if you've decided to fly a B5N2 into a furball because you don't think the game is challenging enough for you, you will be outclassed by (almost) every plane.  By your definition, everyone else would therefore be a dweeb.

Also, for some people 'super planes' like the Spit XVI and La-7 may actually be challenging to fly.  I'm not a very good pilot, and my favourite ride is the Spit XVI (partly because I love Spitfires).

If someone is consistently getting HOs in the La-7, for example, then they should learn new tactics - at least that what I would do, if I had half decent gunnery.

Finally, if all you experienced pilots are getting so annoyed by these 'dweebs' in their HOing Spit XVIs, surely you should practise your anti-HO tactics, and thus encourage the 'dweebs' to find new ways of getting kills.



Yossarian

[SlapShot]

"dweeb plane", in this context, is a term used by people who need to excuse away (from others) and deflect (from themselves) their lack of skill when dieing to the "dweeb" plane.

Let's take "Tilt" for example.

He is truly a die-hard Lavochkin fan. He loves those planes and he flys them exclusively.

For anyone who dies to his guns and then call him a "dweeb" is wrong. He is one of the finest gentlemen to have inhabited this game and for anyone to berate him ... or anyone who does fly the Lavochkins ... is lame to say the least.

[The Fugitive]

SlapShots a dweeb!  
















Like posted above, its not the plane so much, its how its used. Those that fly La's, spit16's and so on that avoid ACM and basically HO with the big cannons give "the plane" the dweeb name, but its the lack of skill of those pilots that shows who the dweebs are.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
SlapShots a dweeb!  

True ... but it has nothing to do with the plane(s) I fly ...  

[mtnman]

The whole "dweeb" thing says more about the name-callers than about the planes.  Frankly, if you have trouble with "dweeb planes", you need to look a little closer at how you handle them.  Eventually, I think you'll find that it really doesn't matter a bit what the other guy is flying.

In most players hands, the "dweebiest" planes are destined to be blown to pieces anyway.  If skillfully flown, I'd not call them "dweeb" planes.  SADS1 for example, flies mostly LA-7's from what I see.  But he does it very well, and when someone displays skill it really isn't accurate to call it "dweeby".  Leviathon flew mostly spits.  He wasn't a dweeb either.

This game is radically better for the variety it offers.  Imagine if we simply tossed the "dweeb" rides off the list, and kept the "studdly" rides.  We'd still have some that were dweebier than the rest, so we'd have to do it again, and again.  Eventually, all we'd have would be the "studdly" ride.  (F4U, of course...)  Imagine how boring this game would be then!  

Honestly, the variety of planes and situations is what keeps us coming back.  How long would you play if all fights started out equal plane, fuel, alt, E-state, yada, yada, yada...?  While we're at it, lets make all bases at the same alt.  Or just have one base for each team, equal alt, arranged in a triangle.  Personally, I LIKE having advantage for this fight, but feeling very disadvantaged on the next.  And the next...  I like fighting planes with a large variety of strengths and weaknesses.  I like needing to "outsmart" my opponent to beat him at his own game.  I WANT him to pick the plane he likes best!  He'll probably make the fight more interesting that way!

If you reallty need a list of "dweeb" planes, open the hanger next time you play, and look at the list.  Most of the world would consider each and every one of us "dweebs" for spending as much time at this game as we do.  Each and every plane on that list would make us equally "dweeby" in their eyes.  'Course, I think most of thier hobbies are "dweeby" too...  Anybody wanna go sit in bar, or head to the mall, or watch a bunch of men wearing tight pants run around grabbing at each other, and talk about the other teams "tight end".  Playing football I can see... but watching somebody else?????  What's up with that?

MtnMan

[Yarbles]

Well put

The most popular sport in the Uk is watching football. That is neither nerdy or dweebish.

I d rather play AH and take my chances and hone my own skills.

[FireDrgn]

"dweeb" doesn't mean anything to me especially when it comes from someone who just died.  I think some use it in a positive context.. like for some one who is good in a certain plane and always fly's same plane.

Like  "u are a P38 dweeb"

dweeb is a generalization at best.  Its just not an accurate description of what takes place in the Skies of the MA....Its hard to take any serious meaning from it.

I'll give some examples.

P38 crashes into the water A6m5 gets proxy...  " skilless "A6m Dweeb"

A6m kill same pilot 6 times 7 time a6m kills same pilot in a A6m....

Next u read on 200   "a6m dweeb"

I don't normally get along with some one who talks in the 3rd person or generalizes it just tells me way to much about that person.

I know the question was about "Dweeb planes" but that's a big over generalization.

To use a word like "dweeb" to describe an inadament object in not congruent.  Really an impossible false argument. It is a statement that is designed to... "not be arguable in a cognitive sense".

[humble]

There are no "dweeb" planes...only dweeb pilots.

You control what you roll off the runway in...no one tells you what to fly. If you fly a "lesser" {there is really no such thing} plane then except the fact that your accepting a greater responsibility in "managing your asset". Dont blame the other guy for your lack of skill or judgement. If you get shot down in your original ride then go on back in his "dweeb" ride and shoot him down with it....if you can.

[Karnak]

It is an idiotic term used to denigrate somebody who just won a fight.  It is intended to reduce their sense of victory and the losers sense of defeat.  Any aircraft can, at a moment's whim, be designated a "dweeb" aircraft, but some are more likely, even assured, to garner community support for the loser.

Just look in this thread at some of the aircraft listed.  

A6M5b?  Sure, that one is absolutely overpowering....oh wait.

Spitfire Mk VIII because it is faster than almost everything else, you know, 338mph on the deck and 404mph at best alt is very much faster than...oops, guess not.


My point is, people will put what they want are their "dweeb" list. SpikesX doesn't like aircraft that are good at turning, hence they are "dweeb" planes to him.  Motherland doesn't like Lachovkins or Spitfires, to the degree that he'll empower them with abilities they don't have to justify his bias.


Certainly there are aircraft that are better than others, only the most fanatical P-40 fan will argue that the P-40E is as good as the P-51D, Spitfire Mk XVI, La-7 or N1K2-J, but trying to shame people out of their choice of kite is bull*****.  Just as there are people in the game who love the P-40, F4U, P-38 or Bf109 so are there people who love the Spitfire or Lachovkins or A6Ms.  To many people geting out of their Spit, La or whatever means being forced into something they have no fondness for just to be "PC" to the community's standards.

If you find me and I am in a Spit VIII or Ki-84, deal with it.  I don't care if you think I am not a "real" man.  The only person who's opinion on that I care about is my wife's.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by humble
There are no "dweeb" planes...only dweeb pilots.

You control what you roll off the runway in...no one tells you what to fly. If you fly a "lesser" {there is really no such thing} plane then except the fact that your accepting a greater responsibility in "managing your asset". Dont blame the other guy for your lack of skill or judgement. If you get shot down in your original ride then go on back in his "dweeb" ride and shoot him down with it....if you can.

You speak the truth sir

As long as you are having fun, who cares.  Fly what you want.

[CAP1]

Originally posted by Yarbles
Dont like the expression but are the top 2 the La7 and Spit 16.

What comes after those 2. For me its the Yak and then Nikki

i kinda think any version of spit, hurri2c, zeke, or la. but before you all start flaming me......i fly all of the ones listed except for the la.......i can't fly that heap o trash to save my life.......

[trigger2]

Originally posted by Yarbles
Dont like the expression but are the top 2 the La7 and Spit 16.

What comes after those 2. For me its the Yak and then Nikki

Yak I believe by no means is a dweeb plane.

In my book a dweeb plane is a plane that can outshine it's opponent in almost every to every catagory (top speed, dive speed, guns, turning, climb rate, etc...)

No plane is a "dweeb plane" even a spitfire.  It's the pilots that make them dweebish.

Most spitfires and lala's and even n1k's I consider "dweeb planes" simply because 99.98% of the pilots are kids that jump in it for an easy kill, that take no time to learn a plane that takes some skill to fight (i.e. p47, p38, 190, most 109 models).  In the MA when I see a 109 I'm more cautious attacking then I am against a spit, cause I know, odds are, the spit has little skill.

Take last night for advantage, defending a V base, a seafire comes in, me in my 109G, I come up right behind him co alt, seeing how long it'll take for him to notice me, decide to put a few tracers by his cockpit, nothing, put a few rounds into his wing, he pulls up, I put a notch of flaps out pulling up to get a shot on him, shoot him down, then over 200 I offer to take him to TA to work with him on his SA, I get called quite a few colorful names, one of them being "An uber dweeb that wouldn't last a second in a real plane" (rotflol) so thank god for /.squelch

[Stoney74]

If I grew up in Russia, I'd want to fly the LA-7.

If I grew up in England, I'd want to fly the Spit 16 or Tempest

If I grew up in Japan, I'd want to fly the Niki

Growing up in the U.S., I dreamed about flying P-51's, P-47's and P-38's.  Since, I don't enjoy flying bombers that much, I quit flying the P-38.  I don't appologize for flying the Pony to its strengths, and you can call me a dweeb all you want, but I'm definitely not giving up the Jug...

You guys fly what you want.  I respect a good stick in the LA-7 or Spit 16 as much as I respect a good stick in any aircraft.

[trigger2]

Originally posted by Stoney74
I respect a good stick in the LA-7 or Spit 16 as much as I respect a good stick in any aircraft.

So do I, BUT I don't respect the people that jump in it for the easy kill.