New cigarette law

[Arlo]

Originally posted by SD67

Kinda makes me think of those exploding cigars you see on cartoons.
I actually tried to make one using a little firework when I was in about grade 9. I emptied out a cigarette and put a short thin banger in and topped it up. I left it in an empty packet under the "smokers tree" at school and retired to a tactically safe location to watch the fun. Lets just say the desired cartoonesque effect was far from the actual reality. Poor bastage that lit it up never knew what hit him, he was lucky not to have been seriously injured. Still one would think that this may have taught me a lesson but alas I continued to fool with pyrotechnic japery well into my late 20's.

May you, your friends and other possible victims retain all their digits should the bug bite once more.

[SD67]

LOL no fear of that, now into my early forties I'd like to think I've progressed beyond explosive humour, though if anyone asks me I didn't once teach my eldest son how to rig matchbox bombs on to toilet cubicle doors.

[Thruster]

A friend "warned" me about the new "FSC" smokes hitting the IL. market with the addition of cardboard to help extinguish the ember. As I usually try to stay fairly well informed I felt kinda dumb getting the heads up from a guy who still doesn't "trust" fedex tracking (don't ask).

So, since I really don't know the facts nor have I bothered to do any research I guess it's time to weigh in.

Years ago I smoked Nat Shermans, the box bragged about the lack of incendiary additives, the stuff that makes a cigarette stay lit and even spark occasionally. I vaguely recall them bragging about how you could let a Sherman go out and re-light it without getting the nasty stale taste like if you re-light a conventional smoke.

I know with other smokes that's the way it is (pipes, cigars, etc....mostly etc.) so maybe it's not such a bad thing. Although I'm kinda ticked that since they have one less ingredient to add, the cost hasn't gone down a penny. Now I'm feeling sorta ripped off.

[bustr]

Someone wanna explain why the evolution of tobacco like most drugs didn't end up with the refined form of nicotein being a oral drug problem. Smoking seems almost like a population contro gambit untill the cost and drawn out amounts of time until death made it to costly to the insurance companies and government.

Whats wrong with over the counter packs of candy laced with pure nocotein or THC? It would be no different than alcohol.

[trax1]

Originally posted by Thruster
A friend "warned" me about the new "FSC" smokes hitting the IL. market with the addition of cardboard to help extinguish the ember. As I usually try to stay fairly well informed I felt kinda dumb getting the heads up from a guy who still doesn't "trust" fedex tracking (don't ask).

So, since I really don't know the facts nor have I bothered to do any research I guess it's time to weigh in.

Years ago I smoked Nat Shermans, the box bragged about the lack of incendiary additives, the stuff that makes a cigarette stay lit and even spark occasionally. I vaguely recall them bragging about how you could let a Sherman go out and re-light it without getting the nasty stale taste like if you re-light a conventional smoke.

I know with other smokes that's the way it is (pipes, cigars, etc....mostly etc.) so maybe it's not such a bad thing. Although I'm kinda ticked that since they have one less ingredient to add, the cost hasn't gone down a penny. Now I'm feeling sorta ripped off.

No, these new cigarettes have 2 strips of some kinda paper inserted into them that will extinguish the cigarette if it's not being smoked, you can tell where they are when you smoke the cigarette because this is where it will almost die out on you.  If you look at the link I posted in the OP it has a diagram in it that shows you were they are in the cigarette.  It has nothing to do with the removal of any addative in the cigarette.

[Jackal1]

No reason not to roll your own with what is available nowadays.
Filter Kings, regular or 100s, lights, menthol. You can do them all quite easily.
No additives, no preservatives or any such  BS.
Much, much cheaper also.

[Angus]

But you really have to smoke more intensively to keep them glowing, right?

[bustr]

I read the article. Interesting approach to public saftey along with a reduction of Insurance companies exposure due to property fires by sleeping smoker. I'm wondering how much influence insurance companies had with supporting this idea to reduce thier cost of doing business.

It's funny how behind every human saftey initiative is an insurance company or group of them pulling the strings to curb human activities because they want to control thier monitairy bottom line. I doubt human misery and suffering is as important to insurance companies as their profits and share holders. They are still trying to force the wearing of helmits by under age soccer players. Seems lotsa kids get concussions and pinched neck vertibrae playing soccer these days.

Insurance companies who loose money due to gang bangers not being able to pay hospital fees when they are shot, will probably lobby politicians and support groups who can force public saftey measures like microstamping of primers of ammunition along with micro marking ammunition which info along with your name and finger print goes in a national database when you purcahse the firearm and ammunition. Repeal of the 2nd amendmant by Insurance company saftey decree.

You have to wonder whats next? Snow boarding due to deaths from avalanch. Hotrod building due to death by speed. Sex outside of marrage due to hospitol costs for incurable STD........

Does enyone ever wonder how much of our modern legislation on human activities originate from Insurance Companies computing activity trends then protecting their bottom line?

[trax1]

Originally posted by Jackal1
No reason not to roll your own with what is available nowadays.
Filter Kings, regular or 100s, lights, menthol. You can do them all quite easily.
No additives, no preservatives or any such  BS.
Much, much cheaper also.

Unfortunately thats not an option for me, I was in a bad car wreak 10 years ago that left me in a wheelchair with no use of my right arm, so rolling my own cigarettes with one arm would pose a real challenge.

[lazs2]

I quit smoking 20 years ago.. don't like em but.. this is simply more nanny state crap meant to modify behavior.

Like with guns.. if you make it difficult to own them or use them.. (tax and no burn for cigarettes) then people will just give up and bend to the will of the state without the state having to show it's true tyrannical nature.

It's just a "sensible" safety precaution right?   who could it hurt (except smokers)?  

Demonize something.. then tax and fee and restrict it into oblivion.. It's the socialist way.. it is for your own good.

oh.. and many guns do not have "safeties" at all or.. in the conventional sense.

lazs

[trax1]

I just went to the website(http://www.firesafecigarettes.org/) of the group that pushed this law to see if I could find any info or a report on smoking fire related deaths in New York that show they have actually gone down because New York was the first state to pass this law back in 2004, and I couldn't find any.  Now I would assume that if there had actually been a significant reduction in smoking fire related deaths it would be posted on there site to back up their claims.  I sent an email to the contact email address on the site asking if they had any reports on this statistic, I'll let you know if they respond with the info.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by trax1
Unfortunately thats not an option for me, I was in a bad car wreak 10 years ago that left me in a wheelchair with no use of my right arm, so rolling my own cigarettes with one arm would pose a real challenge.

Not really. The roller I use only requires the slide to be slid back about 2 1/2 inches then returned to the original position. The roller can easily be mounted to a tray with a little JB weld.
You can roll a pack in about 3 minutes or so.
Cost just a little over a buck a pack.

[ghi]

here in Canada the graphics on pack are disturbing , and the price is more than double comparing with US, about 9-10$/pack in Ontario, even higher in Alberta. ,

[DieAz]

Originally posted by trax1
I just went to the website(http://www.firesafecigarettes.org/) of the group that pushed this law to see if I could find any info or a report on smoking fire related deaths in New York that show they have actually gone down because New York was the first state to pass this law back in 2004, and I couldn't find any.  Now I would assume that if there had actually been a significant reduction in smoking fire related deaths it would be posted on there site to back up their claims.  I sent an email to the contact email address on the site asking if they had any reports on this statistic, I'll let you know if they respond with the info.

couldn't find any stats for fires caused by smoking but did find this.
http://www.dos.state.ny.us/fire/firedata.htm
from the section under; Annual statistical report based on fire, accident, and burn injury reports from paid and volunteer departments.

 year              total fires                civilian injuries                 civilian deaths
 2003              89,965                     631                               126
 2004              91,404                     625                               125
 2005              97,014                     574                               106
 2006              97,014                     580                               110

total fires in 05 and 06 are the same, I double checked the pages to make sure.
overall I'd say the NY State FSC law has a minimal impact on the total stats. as you can see, total fires actually went up.
[joke]I bet next on their agenda is "fire safe matches" " it burns 10mm below the matchhead then puts itself out by the exploding water capsule then you're all wet. " [/joke]

[lazs2]

well then..  I will take the big check I get from the insurance companies for a rebate now that there will be so many fewer fires and put it with the huge rebates they send me every year for all the lives saved by seat belt and helmet laws.

lazs