New cigarette law

[trax1]

Originally posted by ghi
the price is more than double comparing with US, about 9-10$/pack in Ontario, even higher in Alberta. ,

Actually the price is starting to get that high here in parts of the U.S, like in New York a pack is around $8 a pack, and here in Chicago a pack is around $7.

[trax1]

Originally posted by DieAz
couldn't find any stats for fires caused by smoking but did find this.
http://www.dos.state.ny.us/fire/firedata.htm
from the section under; Annual statistical report based on fire, accident, and burn injury reports from paid and volunteer departments.

 year              total fires                civilian injuries                 civilian deaths
 2003              89,965                     631                               126
 2004              91,404                     625                               125
 2005              97,014                     574                               106
 2006              97,014                     580                               110

total fires in 05 and 06 are the same, I double checked the pages to make sure.
overall I'd say the NY State FSC law has a minimal impact on the total stats. as you can see, total fires actually went up.
[joke]I bet next on their agenda is "fire safe matches" " it burns 10mm below the matchhead then puts itself out by the exploding water capsule then you're all wet. " [/joke] [/B]

See it didn't effect fires, looks like just more money wasted on making a new law that does nothing.

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by RightF00T
I know someone personally that died in a fire caused by a left-burning cigarette.   If it makes smoking harder, I see no problem with it.  Guns are made to kill just like cigarettes but I've never heard anyone complain about a safety.  It makes careless mistakes that much harder to make. This coming from a smoker.

As a firefighter I responded to two different structure fires that involved fatalities.  The cause of each was attributed to smoking in bed/unattended cigarettes.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by lazs2
well then..  I will take the big check I get from the insurance companies for a rebate now that there will be so many fewer fires and put it with the huge rebates they send me every year for all the lives saved by seat belt and helmet laws.

lazs

Yeah...I sure miss those helmet rebate checks here in Texas since we beat it down.

I`m wondering when someone is going to propose a  "life" ban. Life is very dangerous you know.

[Boroda]

Here cheapest cigs cost about $0.15 or a pack of 20. I smoke "XXI Century" milds, 16 rubles per pack, like $0.70.

Fire-safe cigs = nonsense. Idiots.

[SD67]

Cigs average $10 per pack here in Oz.
We too have the graphic warnings on the packs here too.
It's all another case of the public being told what's good for them.
The cig companies don't care, in fact they love it, it adds to the risqué daring image of smoking. Seriously how many smokers actually think that this is going to happen to them? I'll bet they all think they're going to be the lucky ones. I know I had the same attitude when I was a substance abuser.
The anti smoking lobbyists crack me up too, I seriously doubt they actually want cigarette companies to go out of business, they and the cigarette companies have a mutually beneficial arrangement. Cigarette companies give them oodles of money to pontificate loudly and publicly on how bad smoking is for you, attracting millions of devil-may-care young folk into the ranks of smokers simply because it's "so dangerous it's cool". Seriously, you can't get a better youth targeted advertisement. The anti smoking crowd have given cigarettes the best marketing exposure they have ever had.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by SD67
The anti smoking crowd have given cigarettes the best marketing exposure they have ever had.

Hehe. Yep.....Harley - Davidson went through the same process.
When the 10 year plan came in they were doing their best to downplay and get away from the outlaw aspect in marketing to get to the Yupsters wallets.
They found out quickly that that didn`t work and did a complete reversal, using the outlaw image in all forms of media ads. Worked like a charm.

[lazs2]

Utopia is difficult to reach...

First you have to crush all individuality and freedom..  as boroda says.. food is more important than freedom.

lazs

[trax1]

Well they finally sent me an email back in response to my question, and guess what, they gave me a link to some study that mentioned nothing about if deaths had gone down in New York since they started selling FSC in 04, so I'm guessing they haven't.  Here's the link they gave me.



http://firesafecigarettes.org//assets/files//HarvardStudy.pdf

[DieAz]

Originally posted by trax1
Well they finally sent me an email back in response to my question, and guess what, they gave me a link to some study that mentioned nothing about if deaths had gone down in New York since they started selling FSC in 04, so I'm guessing they haven't.  Here's the link they gave me.



http://firesafecigarettes.org//assets/files//HarvardStudy.pdf

this line was in this so called study

This study does not seek to address the effectiveness of the FSSC on reduction in fire deaths and damages caused by cigarettes.

email them back and quote this section near the bottom, then ask them again.

a F.Y.I.
if they give you the run around and you really want to know and don't mind the costs. lawyer up and do a Freedom of Information Act number on them. if they then fail to deliver, lay a Title 18 U.S.C. Section 242 (link in sig) on them, for violating your rights. sue them, get rich, buy an Island somewhere, drink some lil umbrella type drinks, and be happy.

just a F.Y.I.

for legal advice, see a lawyer.

[GtoRA2]

LOL I always love to see smokers wine about stupid stuff.

I dont agree with the law, but the comedy value in it from winey smokers is great.


The idea is insane, whats next fire safe matches?