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Offline Angus

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« on: January 24, 2008, 03:58:10 AM »
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2008, 03:52:02 PM »
BTW, "we" were quite much more involved in this business. We have no army, but yet people in both Iraq and Afganishtan.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2008, 03:53:33 PM »
Sending 1 chick doesn't count!
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2008, 11:44:24 AM »
Eagerly waiting fot the second episode.
Anyway, our bomsquad was there, etc. Some others as well. But as a combatant she may have been the only one.....(?)
BTW, members of one of our teams were on the crew that unearthed shells with a chemical load. Something in the family of mustard gas AFAIK.
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 11:54:18 AM »
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BTW, members of one of our teams were on the crew that unearthed shells with a chemical load. Something in the family of mustard gas AFAIK.


what, thats impossible, there are no WMD, bush lied about WMD so he could steal all of the Iraq oil. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2008, 12:03:59 PM »
This was the 1915 version of WMD :D
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2008, 12:45:58 PM »
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what, thats impossible, there are no WMD, bush lied about WMD so he could steal all of the Iraq oil. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



If that were even remotely a true statement, wouldn't our gas prices have GONE DOWN since the conflict instead of DOUBLEING since 9/11.




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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2008, 03:03:52 PM »
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If that were even remotely a true statement, wouldn't our gas prices have GONE DOWN since the conflict instead of DOUBLEING since 9/11.




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of course not, after stealing all the Iraq oil the oil companies now want to steal all your money.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2008, 03:13:25 PM »
Most of your oil comes from....Chavez???

At least not so much of US imported oil from the gulf, AFAIK more from Nigeria and Venezuela.

But I may be wrong...
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2008, 03:15:19 PM »
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Most of your oil comes from....Chavez???

At least not so much of US imported oil from the gulf, AFAIK more from Nigeria and Venezuela.

But I may be wrong...
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Most people are surprised to learn that the country from which the United States imports the greatest amount of oil is Canada. In recent years, the United States has imported approximately 200 million barrels of crude oil annually from Canada.

Oil imports into the United States from Saudi Arabia come in at second place with about 160 million barrels of crude oil annually from the Kingdom. The United States imports about the same amount of oil from Mexico as it does from Saudi Arabia on an annual basis. Other countries from which the United States imports oil are: Venezuela, Nigeria, Iraq, the United Kingdom, Norway, Angola, Algeria and Colombia.

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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2008, 03:19:53 PM »
USA oil
The USA imports about 55% of its oil needs.
Sources of U.S. Oil Imports (millions of barrels per day, 2001): Canada: 1.79 - Saudi Arabia: 1.66 - Venezuela: 1.54 - Mexico: 1.42 - Nigeria: .86 - Iraq: .78 - Norway: .33 - Angola: .32 - United Kingdom: .31 - Total: 11.62. (Source: Energy Information Administration).

Sources of U.S. Oil Imports (%, 2002): Saudi Arabia: 16.9% - Mexico: 15.1% - Canada: 15.0% - Venezuela: 14.4% - Iraq: 11.4% - Nigeria: 5.9.%.

only about 30% of the USA's oil imports came from Arab countries in 2002. Since USA oil imports are about 55% of USA oil consumption, only about 15% of USA's oil consumption is provided by Arab countries.

About 40% of oil in the USA is used to produce gasoline.

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 Venezuela provides 14% of the 55% that is imported, so roughly 7% of US consumed oil is from Venezuela.

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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2008, 03:41:46 PM »
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Yes, we, the unarmed, were a part pf the "willing" ones :D

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=148212&title=operation-deserter-storm


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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2008, 03:42:09 PM »
Oil is a global product distributed by global, multinational oil companies. It is a commodity like other commodities, traded on the market. That is how price is set. Where you get your specific oil from often depends on geography and shipping costs, though there are many additional tweaks to the system. For example, the sour crude you get from Venezuela or Nigeria requires refineries set up to process the extra sulfur.

But, that doesn't mean that Middle Eastern oil isn't critical to the US economy. There is X amount of production, X amount of reserves and X amount of demand. Curtailing supply, either artificially or naturally leads to higher prices at the exchanges. Dumping excessive supply or a drop in demand has the opposite effect.

Currently, demand is up internationally and we are still actually seeing a demand driven strain vs. an artificial production driven strain. Though that may be transitioning now as production has been cranking up. US production is actually pretty high, but...

Where reserves are concerned, the US as a whole has less than any number of individual Middle Eastern oil fields. So, we are draining our reserves dry at a record pace. And, the Middle Eastern countries, which are economic one-trick-ponies have a legitimate concern over maximizing their profits, but balancing extending their reserves and not allowing prices to climb so high that long term behavioral changes develop among customers that would reduce demand.

Of course, should we hit a major recession then demand will crank down and the speculators will sell short and oil will be back to $50 per bbl.

BTW, the CEO of a Northeaster-based regional oil company sent me an interesting chart that shows a direct correlation to our most recent, dramatic increases in the price of a bbl of oil and the drop in the value of the dollar. Almost spike per spike, and valley per valley. He estimates that the devalued dollar accounts for $25 per $100 bbl, and noted that other countries do not see nearly the same economic impact from this increase.

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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2008, 03:51:26 PM »
Well, while it is indeed a complicated environment, I fail to see the urgency of USA having the oil from the middle east as a "must" or "urgent" right now.
If there is a need, it is in the future. And that being energy, that would not necessarily be IN the USA.
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2008, 04:54:56 PM »
Why don't we just uncap all those wels in Texas and Colorado?  I forget the number but i seem to remember that there was an impressive amount in those two places.