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Offline myelo

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« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2008, 12:22:14 PM »
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So anytime more than one woman succumbs to anything, the media claims an incident of epidemic proportions and requires government intervention along with unlimited amounts of money FOR the WOMEN.

Where have you been for the last 20 years? Not watching television I hope....:)


Yeah, because you never see any TV commercials by drug companies for men health problems ....
 
like erectile dysfunction.
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« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2008, 03:46:25 PM »
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It's too new, it's being pushed way too hard and a little research on the political arena players who have a financial stake in the drug's financial success told quite a bit.  An aggressive push to make this very new, experimental drug mandatory, gee that sent up red flags.

That was Sarah's take on it too. She's very suspicious of new things anyway, and she's also rather paranoid of medical professionals which is probably related to bad experiences in her early teens.
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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2008, 04:08:16 PM »
if you boink a chick with one of those cancer casuing viruses then you get the virus.......every chick you ever boink will get the virus too.   Its a STD that casues cervical cancer you know.......unless of course you use intergalactic prophylactics!
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« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2008, 04:48:10 PM »
HPV is a nasty one, even condoms are not very effective since it tends to manifest itself more at the opening of the vagina and around the base of the noodle, these areas are usually still contacted by both parties even if a condom is used. The other thing is HPV does not need to have direct genital contact to be transmitted, dexterous manipulation and oral contact can also lead to transference.
If you were to do a search you'd find that there is an awfully high percentage of sexually active subjects that have been diagnosed as having HPV but the kicker is that due to its' nature there are probably more than double that number that have no clue they carry it since for most people it has no outward signs of it's existence.
Yeah you could be celibate until marriage, or you could just not do it at all and procreate by AI or wait until they perfect cloning (then zoozoo might actually get to have some friends!).
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« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2008, 04:56:26 PM »
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Dredlock, you asked for an opinion, and it seems like you're really unhappy with the answers you're getting.  You seem _really_ opposed to this vaccination despite your 'on the fence' language.  How come?


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To Im just enjoying the discussion.

Its the entire reason I started the thread.
The board was getting dry IMO And we needed a good lively debate over somethiing that was debatable.

I saw the commercial on TV. Got to thinking about it and looked it up.
Thats what I found

Im not opposed to it at all

If you feel the need to get it. By all means do so.

What I AM saying though is that it isnt the great threat its made out to be.

In spite of several here who's significant other has contracted it.
Like My Hodgekins. its still a relitively rare occurance.

Those who got it. Like me with Hodgekins.
Just happened to be unlucky enough to contract their cancer.

there is a much higher instance of breast cancer. but we do not hear half the hub bub about that that we do with this.

Im thinking that the drug companies dont make alot of money off of breast exams. And inasmuch as women tend to be hypersensitive about cancer. this would make  for a windfall for them.

I agree to a certain extent it makes sense to get the vaccination.
I dont agree that it is an occurance that is in epidemic proportions the way it seems they are making it out to be
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« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2008, 05:01:55 PM »
Just never take TexasMom to Hooters... she doesn't like the Hot Wings.

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« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2008, 06:45:56 PM »
Dred,

One major difference between this and breast cancer is this. There is no way to vacinate for breast cancer ...... yet. If there was I imagine the hubub would be there. If nothing else this one cancer may end up going the way of polio and TB.
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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2008, 07:12:32 PM »
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They tried. It was shot down.  When they say on the commercial "I was so surprised to hear that I can actually get cancer from a virus [repeat 'virus' about 10 times by different women]" is this: Its a sexually transmitted disease.  Don't sleep with every Tom Dick & Harry out there if you don't want the cancer causing STD.

It annoys me so badly that they portray that "virus" as if it's something like flu-germs passed by casual contact.

Our own knuckle-headed governor trying to require girls 6th grade & up to be vaccinated for a cancer causing STD is yet another example of encouraging a lack of personal responsibility or accountability on any individual level.  It drives me up a wall to even think of it.  

"Hey, these girls obviously can't be responsible enough to keep their damn legs closed... I got a good idea: Lets just require everyone 6th grade & up to get a vaccination to make sure they don't get this STD which could lead to cancer.  Oh, it'll be a State run program ~ so lets use everyone's taxes to pay for it, too. Whadduya think?"  Freaking retards.


I understand the sentiment, but I like to remind people (parents) that even if their daughter is a virgin when they get married, the knucklehead they marry may not be.  I personally had my daughter get the vaccine just for that fact.  Who knows what kind of idiot she'll end up marrying.

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« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2008, 08:31:44 PM »
HPV 16 & 18, together account for about 70% of invasive cervical cancers.  While 10,000 cervical cancers a year in the US may seem small compared to other causes of death, 10,000 people are a lot of people.  Especially, now there is a vaccine that could prevent 7,000 or those cancers.  There are about 4,000 deaths a year from cervical cancer at this time.  At one time cervical cancer was the most common type of cancer among women and the leading cause of cancer death.  This has dramatically changed with modern medical screening and treatment for non-invasive cervical cancer, or pre-malignant dysplasia.  As a matter of fact, a significant amount of health care dollars goes to screening and treating conditions before the cancer develops.  So yes, there are only 4K deaths and 10K cancers a year, there are thousands that never get invasive cancer due these efforts.

Bear in mind also there are complications to female fertility and ability to carry a pregnancy with some treatments.  The biopsies to determine if a woman has cervical cancer are not pain free (physically or for the wallet book).  The mental stress of having to follow-up with their doctors of these exams and biopsies every 3 months is costly in emotional and financial capital.  And this is only to deal with the cervical cancer aspect.

HPV 6 & 11 also causes genital warts (together about 90% of the cases).  Genital warts are embarrassing.  They can grow to really impressive sizes.  Removing them will not get rid of the potential for more to grow.  On the other hand (so to speak) most genital warts are small and not noticed, easy to transmit if you don’t know you go it.  Treatment requires multiple treatments and trips to the doctor.  HPV 6 & 11 can also cause changes in cells on the cervix that might be considered precancerous and all the screening and treatments above may be needed.

The Gardasil vaccine is a vaccine against HPV 16, 18, 6, and 11.  The vaccine was highly effective (>95% for cervical cancer, vulvar pre cancers, and genital warts) in clinical trials and if used on a national basis could indeed reduce over half of the invasive cervical cancers it would also reduced the health care cost that go into treating all the premalignant conditions (that never progress to cancer because of aggressive medical intervention).  This will be the greatest impact of the vaccine.  Keep in mind that the vaccine will also prevent about 90% of anogenital warts.  The prevalence of genital warts is about 1% of the US population or some where around 3 million people.

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« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2008, 07:37:36 AM »
HPV-16 has also been implicated in penile cancer.

Ponder, if you will, what treatment for that disease might involve and a vaccine might start to seem like a good idea.
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« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2008, 07:39:00 AM »
Unfortunately from what I understand, the vaccine is only effective against HPV in women. :(
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« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2008, 08:22:24 AM »
I think it is likely effective in men as well.  I think there is an ongoing study on men now.  Problem with HPV in men and getting a clinical trial done is there is no easy way to measure outcomes.  This is easier in women.  HPV is associated with male homosexual anogenital cancers and diseases as well.  The benefit will likely go beyond women.

Additionally, the vaccine was tested in younger women 16-26 y/o.  I am sure its as effective in older women (>26 y/o) as well but the study design was limited to a young age group 16-26 who had never gotten HPV before.  The FDA only approved the vaccine for young women based on this study, but in reality it should work for a woman who is 35 and newly divorced and interested in entering into the dating scene again.

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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2008, 10:35:54 AM »
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I think it is likely effective in men as well.  I think there is an ongoing study on men now.  Problem with HPV in men and getting a clinical trial done is there is no easy way to measure outcomes.  


Vaccinate 50% of the men, don't vaccinate the other 50%. 10 years later, compare the total number of noodlees left in each group.
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