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« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2008, 01:31:49 PM »
:aok   Nice job guys!! Can't wait to give it a try.  Thank you for all the hard work.
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« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2008, 01:36:44 PM »
another hanger queen. lol
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« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2008, 01:39:30 PM »
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« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2008, 01:50:10 PM »
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If it gets AH modeled to what this says, this plane will be a lot of people's new favorite ride....

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On the other hand, I bet the gun may become an issue for those hoping to dogfight with her. The US 37mm M4 has a muzzle velocity of only 610mps, about 30% less than the Russians' N37 (in the Yak 9T) 37mm at 900mps and not much better than the Bf 109K's Mk103 30mm with 510 mps.

What's worse, the rate of fire reeks like a cesspool on a hot day. The German 30mm rate is 7 rounds per second; the Russian N37 is 4 rounds per second; the P-39's American M4 is 2.5 rounds per second. So the round moves slowly and fires even more slowly...meaning getting hits will likely be harder in the P39 than it is with the 30mm armed K4. There's going to be a lot more space between rounds for targets to fly through, even when you have the deflection lob just right.

On top of that, the other guns have dramatically different ballistics -- you'll get the four 50s of the P51 or the FM2, matched up with a tater gun that you pretty much have to load shell by shell. you'll almost have to choose whether to fire primaries or secondaries, because if you fire both one set is GOING to miss.

And don't underestimate the performance hit the bird will take from those gun pods, hanging way out on the wing and adding drag. So I suspect the Q will be seeing more action in ground support strafing.



All I'm saying is that I don't think it will end up as a "Favorite ride" any more often than, say, the G2. It's gunna get used, and it will be fun to learn to exploit its quirks. But it will take a pretty skilled pilot to make her sing, and to get that watermelon lobber to hit the target.


Regardless, big 's to HTC. They remembered the close vote and came out with a really interesting next bird for us to play with! I can't wait...especially as FSO flier!
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« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2008, 01:59:23 PM »
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another hanger queen. lol
Yes, all we need are more LW uber cannon-armed speed demons and AH will be so much better!

:rolleyes:

Try flying scenarios, FSO's or the MW or EW arenas and maybe you'd see the need for filling the planeset.  

Give us more hangar queens!

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« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2008, 02:01:38 PM »
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Check out the Wikipedia Stats...

If it gets AH modeled to what this says, this plane will be a lot of people's new favorite ride....

This is a copy & paste:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-39_Airacobra
 


No offense, but using wikipedia as a reference has about the same authoritative ring as putting "My brother's friend said" as a reference in your thesis.

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« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2008, 02:07:42 PM »
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« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2008, 02:11:03 PM »
Alot will depend on the FM in AH. The P-39 could outturn the 109E by a wide margin. From 8-12k it could more or less turn with a zeke, assuming an AH turnrate along the lines of an FM-2 and a top speed of 376 or so its not a bad plane at all. Hopefully the option to remove the wing .50 cals will be available as well.

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« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2008, 02:12:40 PM »
This was one of the aircraft in the voting awhile back when the B25H won out.

I had voted for it back then :D
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« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2008, 02:13:16 PM »
I'm wondering if those things will be true for the versions with the gun pods, though, humble. The Q only came with the pods, as far as I know, and was used lots as a ground strafer.
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« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2008, 02:15:11 PM »
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Alot will depend on the FM in AH. The P-39 could outturn the 109E by a wide margin. From 8-12k it could more or less turn with a zeke, assuming an AH turnrate along the lines of an FM-2 and a top speed of 376 or so its not a bad plane at all. Hopefully the option to remove the wing .50 cals will be available as well.


That sounds great.   Turns like an FM-2, nearly 380 mph top speed and a decent rollrate.   Not bad a'tall.   I am also happy to see the good forward visibility out of the cockpit.
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« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2008, 02:17:34 PM »
I think the turn rate will still be pretty good either way. The British tests vs the 109E and spirfire were with the D model. I think we'll end up with a US version not the "russianized" reality....but will still be a good bird in AH.

I agree the US 37mm will be tough to hit with, but 4 x .50 and the great dive speed will make it possible to get a guy turning. If in fact it does turn better then a hurricane then it'll be tough to get away from.

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« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2008, 02:20:07 PM »
in the game IL2:FB the P39 is total pants. i hopes it aint so.
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« Reply #58 on: January 25, 2008, 02:44:19 PM »
can anyone read how many cannon rounds that is...  looks like 30 to me




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« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2008, 02:50:14 PM »
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The P-39 cannon is a US made gun, (Oldsmobile T9 prototype, adopted as the M$ in USAAF service) not the 37mm used by the soviets. Like the soviet gun, though, it is an HE firing air to air weapon -- not an AP firing gun.

Would love to see a version without the gun pods...sure it will be coming. The P400 had a hispano in place of the 37mm T9, and 6 303s -- might be a nice dogfighter in the low alt AH environment.


The whole aircraft was US made, we gave or sold them to the Ruskies during WW2.
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