arena monsters

[Simaril]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Argh...I thought this was a thread about the Giant squid that used to be in the very center of the Pizza map in AHI
 

So did I.

[Major Biggles]

Originally posted by Motherland
I've flown the 110C before. Its a large, slow, lumbering peice of junk with a poor armament for the LW arenas. The only spot where it shines there is in turn radius.

In EW, I have only one experience, in an FSO in which JG11 was assigned 110C's. We were destroyed.

oh lord. ok first, you're totally wrong.

second, you seem to have no idea what you're talking about...


we are talking about early war rides here, and battle of britain matchups. in real life the 110 was really just a target, and in some cases were actually given fighter escorts! the late war arena has absolutely nothing to do with this.

compared to our 109e and spit 1, the 110 is very fast, has an insane turn ability (it's a flipping UFO. in BoB scenarios, the 110 is the most feared plane by most allied pilots). and it's armament is very powerful too.

we are NOT talking about how it performs in the LWA. we are talking about how in real life it performed nothing like it does in AH, and how in early war matchups it's more than a match for the spits, and it outturns the 109e.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Stoney74
David Southwood gave a speech to the Flight Test Group of the Royal Aeronautical Society in 2004.

His comments:

"One of the most striking characteristics for a pilot who is familiar with modern fighters is the relatively poor roll performance...A 1 G 360 degree full stick roll in a clipped wing Spitfire IX at 250 KIAS and 5000ft takes 3 seconds.  However, the same manoever in the Hurricane at 200 KIAS takes 6 seconds."

Wolfala and I did some testing in the TA using a Hurri I and Hurri IIC, using the exact same performance parameters and, after about 10 tests, showed an average of 4-4.5 seconds to perform a 360 degree roll in either of the two Hurricanes.  We did not test the Spit 16 to see if matched the 3 second speed quoted by Southwood.  I have no idea to the accuracy of Southwood's data other than to say that he states in the speech, they were his observations from his own personal test flights in those planes.  It could be annecdotal, but if accurate, it certainly hints at a discrepancy.

Perhaps this could illuminate Karnak's argument, at least with respect to the comparison between the Spit and Hurricane in the game.

That is very much what I am talking about.  The Hurri is just too agile to match historical accounts.  It isn't that it turns to tight, everything I have read said it turned tighter than the Bf109 or Spitfire.  It is more that it seems to roll to fast, not be affected much by high speed and have too quick an instantaneous turn rate.

The Spitfire, praised over and over by pilots who flew both. as being so responsive, "you thought about it and it did it" is in AH a plodding draft horse that has to be muscled into cooperation compared to the agile, light Hurricane that got praise for being a stable gun platform and tough.

[WWhiskey]

seems to me your all still forgeting that these planes were not flown on the deck in real life like they are in ah (under 10000 feet).

now as for the original question

In mid war the fm-2 is probably more dominant than it should be but the spits do alot of work in there and get alot of kills along with the hurri,s!
 P-38's in midwar are very good as well,  not because it is good but the sticks that fly it there are very good, i used to love to fly the 38 but dont in mid very often, it seems to draw the attention of those who know how to use it best and i always end up with one of them on my six!
my favorite is the FM-2!
The best fighter in mid in my opinion is the F6F!

[Karnak]

Originally posted by WWhiskey
seems to me your all still forgeting that these planes were not flown on the deck in real life like they are in ah (under 10000 feet).

Yes they were and what does that have to do with anything?

[Getback]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Argh...I thought this was a thread about the Giant squid that used to be in the very center of the Pizza map in AHI
 

Yeah me too, well that and Rook women.  Use to be a spaceship on one of the maps.

You know I tried to kill that squid several times but it's a lot like Cloverfield.

[WWhiskey]

Originally posted by Karnak
Yes they were and what does that have to do with anything?

 I had edited my remarks and didnt say every thing i was going to say about it but i will try to explain
example: p-47-n fastest plane n the game at 30,000 feet,  how often do you fly it there? not very! is it as good at 10,000 feet or below? NO! now i might be mistakin about that a little but it is a good example of what you think and what is reality! Question:  are you flying the plane you think is the best in A.H.were it is the best in real life? probably not!
Some one who wasnt paying attention might go get killed in the jug now and blame me cause i said it was the fastest plane in the game or blame hightek because it wasnt as good in A.H. as i said i was supposed to be! pilot ability in this game is were the answer lies! in here alot of the planes dont preform like we want them to but if you have read  up on those planes you might find that  the tactics in this game dont apply as in real life example:A-20 what a good fighter it is in this game, just go see cobia too find out how good it is, yet i dont think it is overmodeled  just misunderstood!
then again these are just my opinions so go think what you want, i didnt mean to attack your obvioulsy superior abilty to figure this stuff out!:aok

[Yknurd]

I like pizza.

[Karnak]

WWhiskey,

Yes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with my arguements.

The thing that most determines relative performance at altitude is the engine, and the Spitfire Mk I and Hurricane Mk I have exactly the same engine.

[Iron_Cross]

Karnak, you seem to forget that performance at 5k, does not equal performance at 20k.  Pilots impressions of performance are of fighting at 20k where the Hurricane and 110-C have seriously degraded performance.  You are trying to match up pilots impressions of fighting and flying at 20k with your own impressions of fighting and flying at 5k.  You are comparing apples to oranges my friend, and for that you don't get a cookie.

EDIT:

Engine is only part of the equation Karnak, there is also the wing and control surfaces to consider, weight is also part of it.  Again with the apples and oranges.  Man you are getting some serious fiber, you must be really regular.

[Karnak]

So, your arguement is that the Hurricane should outperform the Spitfire in all ways short of top speed at all altitudes because....?

You make no sense.

[1Boner]

Soooooo anyway

It would seem that the Hurri and the 110 are the super dooper uberest planes in the line-up in the EW and MW.

At least those seem to be the main objects of contention here.

Would those planes fall into the same category of disdain as the La7-Spixteen-Niki-P-51d and Typhoon, do in the LW arenas?

IE are they considered "dweeb" rides?

Please excuse my ignorance on this subject, as I NEVER fly in those arenas.

Not sure why.

But I intend on spending alot more time there soon to explore the other planes in the game without being dessimated by the other LW planes.



Thanks Guys,

Boner

[Guppy35]

A guy up in a Hurri I is flying it for the challenge.   A guy up in a Hurri IIc is flying it for the cannons.

[Rino]

Originally posted by Motherland
I've flown the 110C before. Its a large, slow, lumbering peice of junk with a poor armament for the LW arenas. The only spot where it shines there is in turn radius.

In EW, I have only one experience, in an FSO in which JG11 was assigned 110C's. We were destroyed.

How is 2 20mm and 4 7.9mm poor in LW?  Especially considering they're
centerline mounted?

[Solar10]

I'm surprised the Mossie in mid war is not viewed as a beast.  It holds its own in LW and any time I fly it in MW I only fear the Spit 9.

It's been a while since I flew in there though.