Fix the twin engine pilot wound thing

[Rino]

I know it's only been a few years, but could you PLEASE take a strong look
at pilot wounds for mossies and P-38s.  It's rediculous how often they get them
especially with no historical weakness in that area.

[Oleg]

Nothing to fix there i believe.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Oleg
Nothing to fix there i believe.

You don't fly the 38?

It's amazing how often it happens.  Considering the armor plate behind, the engines on both sides, the armor glass in front of the face and the 50 cals and 20mm also in front, you'd think there would be some protection.

While I realize I'm a bullet magnet in the 38, it's seems a bit much.  Tonight it was a surprise when I didn't get pilot wounded.  3 of my first four flights I was pilot wounded.

Won't stop me from flying my 38G however

[DoNKeY]

Originally posted by Rino
I know it's only been a few years, but could you PLEASE take a strong look
at pilot wounds for mossies and P-38s.  It's rediculous how often they get them
especially with no historical weakness in that area.

Don't worry, our SAPP representative is working his magic and lobbying to get this done, although it has taken a little while...




donkey

[Oleg]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Considering the armor plate behind

Most planes have it.

Originally posted by Guppy35
the engines on both sides

Protects you from very limited angles.

Originally posted by Guppy35
the armor glass in front of the face

Most planes have it as well.

Originally posted by Guppy35
and the 50 cals and 20mm also in front, you'd think there would be some protection.

Nothing in comparision with front engine.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by DoNKeY
Don't worry, our SAPP representative is working his magic and lobbying to get this done, although it has taken a little while...




donkey

As soon as I can develop that photo of what looks like HiTech trying to pick up a ewe with a pick-up full of Finnish midgets, we'll start our lobbying.


ack-ack

[TomHorn]

To me it seems that pilot wounds happen in strings....
For a short period of time, I'll get pilot wounded, maybe 4-5 times...
Then a long dry spell...
Then it happens again....
ODD!!!

The same thing happens with one shot ack kills at about 3k...
Happens for awhile, then stops...

I've heard the same from others, and it doesn't seem to matter
what kind of plane they or I am flying...

Like some kind of unknown statistical probability....

Irritating some times, because of the in game situation...

I just fly on, until it stops...

Then we have the auto ack, that is aimed by devine intervention...
But that is a whole nother topic...

TH

[WWhiskey]

Same problem with guns going out on all planes! used to never lose a gun nowdays i lose one every time i get hit no matter where the round hits me!

last night i was in a 38 and got a hit in the wing and a gun went out ,HELLO, NOSE GUN!
Also on the 38, I would think that you would lose guns before you would get a pilot wound from the front, yet that does not seem to happen,
 sure wish they would fix this, I am a big fan of the 38's and would love to fly it more than I do now but i get killed enough without the pilot wound problem!

[DoNKeY]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
As soon as I can develop that photo of what looks like HiTech trying to pick up a ewe with a pick-up full of Finnish midgets, we'll start our lobbying.


ack-ack

Aww, so that is what's going on.

donkey

[Hack9]

In agreement with Oleg.

There's not as much in front of and behind the pilot in a 38 to absorb the punishment of incoming rounds as is present in many other aircraft.  Plus, you may just be running into a lot of guys that tend to aim at the cockpit.  I'm slightly ashamed to say that I try to aim there whenever possible.

As for Mossie's, again, not as much in front of the pilot a single engine ride has, and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a good portion of that aircraft's fuselage made of wood?  Doesn't seem to me that there's as much stopping power there even with a long fuselage behind the pilot.  Just guessing.


Hack9

[Rino]

Yeah, aiming for the cockpit..good idea:rolleyes:   Have you taken a
good look at ANY of the single engine type's windscreen?  There isn't anything in front of them either...why do they not suffer the same
percentage of pilot wounds?

      Both the mosquito and 38 have large numbers of guns and ammo in
the nose, even discounting any armored glass <38G anyone>.  I'd like
to challenge anyone to find documentation saying that these aircraft
were vulnerable to headon attacks.

[DoNKeY]

Originally posted by Hack9
In agreement with Oleg.

There's not as much in front of and behind the pilot in a 38 to absorb the punishment of incoming rounds as is present in many other aircraft.  Plus, you may just be running into a lot of guys that tend to aim at the cockpit.  I'm slightly ashamed to say that I try to aim there whenever possible.

As for Mossie's, again, not as much in front of the pilot a single engine ride has, and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a good portion of that aircraft's fuselage made of wood?  Doesn't seem to me that there's as much stopping power there even with a long fuselage behind the pilot.  Just guessing.


Hack9

Why would you be ashamed to shoot at the cockpit?  And while there isn't an engine in front of the pilot, there sure is a hell of a lot of other "stuff" that would certainly deflect/"disarm"(for a lack of a better word) a bullet if not completely stop it, and that's before you get to any of the armor/steel plates.

donkey

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by DoNKeY
Why would you be ashamed to shoot at the cockpit?  
donkey

Basically, he's saying he HO's.


ack-ack

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Hack9
As for Mossie's, again, not as much in front of the pilot a single engine ride has, and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a good portion of that aircraft's fuselage made of wood?  Doesn't seem to me that there's as much stopping power there even with a long fuselage behind the pilot.  Just guessing.


Hack9

That wood had more stopping power than the thin aluminium skin on other aircraft.  Still, it has essentially no stopping power.  But the fact that you even though that was relevant is perhaps telling.  The seat armor for the pilot (poor navigator) looks to me to be more extensive than many single engined fighters.

The Mossie, like the P-38, had an armor plate between the guns and ammo and the control panel.  It also had a bulletproof windscreen.  The armor on the two aircraft is very similar.

[SD67]

One does not need to HO to shoot the cockpit. A good canopy shot in the scissors will do it nicely.
I've been looking at giving the '38 a bit more time though, since I do like the 110. However in the 110 a single engine usually only gets you to the scene of the crash a little later than you would in a single and I believe the '38 has a much greater survivability rate in this situation. After flying in the relatively vulnerable 110 the extra protection in the '38 would be a welcome addition.