Chapel why did you pick the current planes?

[EagleEyes]

Originally posted by XAKL
I was on last night (Monday) from 1930 to 2200, and I don't recall any advances made by Allies.  What do recall is that Allies had superior # than Axis, but Allies did not capture any fields.  I saw bunch of Allies flying Lancs and providing long range escort by P-51Bs, but no base were ever captured.  I even brought a goon to what I thought should be ready, because a lot of bombs were dropped in the airfield, but none were dropped in the town.  Subsequently, I lost my goon.

So are we talking about the same time??

MUGADAI OF THE MUNGADAI WARRIORS

You are right sir.  That would be the exact missions i am talking about.  Yes, we did not capture any fields that night, however by taking down the fighter hangers, we did stop the axis advance.  Had we not taken those hangers down at those bases, we would have lost a lot more land.

We might have had numbers, but us "VF-31" was spending our first night in AvA.  We were unaware of rules and information on how the AvA is run.  We did not know the hardness, which airfields held which planes, number of troops to take a bases and what not.  

Tonight we did, and were successful in taking 3 enemy bases.

[lagger86]

We have the mighty Hellcat, I didn't even check if there were other options:aok

[republic]

Originally posted by XAKL
I was on last night (Monday) from 1930 to 2200, and I don't recall any advances made by Allies.

Silly allies, Blitzkrieg is for Germans.  

[bkwolf]

^^^:rofl ,now back to the sheep!:noid

[Simaril]

Although I'm more of an occasionaly visitor to AvA, I do have some advice for those complaining.

First, be thankful that the current plane selections have shaken you out of your routine. Over the long haul, doing the same thing the same way gets old -- and dealing with these challenges will add to your enjoyment in the long run.

Second, and importantly, remember that a basic principle of combat is this: CAPABILITIES DICTATE TACTICS. If you try to use the same tactics all the time, you're turning the priniple on its head...and you will get frustrated. For movie fans, think of Col Chamberlain at Little Round Top -- out of ammo, almost out of men, unable to retreat, unable to hold against another Confederate charge. His genius was in recognizing that his only option was to charge himself, before the enemy, and break up their attack before it was launched. His insight won him the Congressional Medal of Honor, BTW.

So in this round you have great bombers, effective long range escorts, and absolutely excellent energy fighting capabilities. With those tools available, you need to change your tactics to take advantage of your strengths. If  you insist on strafing down towns (or HO attacks) with 4x50s, things will not go well for you.

Used right, you have tools that the Axis will struggle to match. Asking for cannons every time is mindless -- enjoy the differences, and the game will be even better for you!

[republic]

Originally posted by Simaril

First, be thankful that the current plane selections have shaken you out of your routine. Over the long haul, doing the same thing the same way gets old -- and dealing with these challenges will add to your enjoyment in the long run.

I agree wholeheartedly.  When I faced the Spit9 with the 190-A5...I was immediately frustrated.  I had driven the 109 so exclusively that I had forgotten how to fly the 190.  Needless to say, with some guidance from some veteran 190 sticks I finally grew to love the 190-A5.  I'm not, nor have I ever claimed to be, an ace..but I can generally put up a worthwhile fight.

It was hard, it took awhile to grasp, but in the end it left me with a slightly better understanding of how it must have been.  After all, in the war you were given what you were given...

[Chapel]

I understand all the concerns in chosing planes, and as such accept all responsibility as for those chosen. I know that the ultimate decision was up to me, and I chose as I did for various reasons.

1) I had hoped that the B-17 would be used to a more devestating effect than it has been. Getting to high alt seems to be a deterant, and as such is showing why the Ju-88 is dominating in the "Heavy Divebomber" role.

2) I chose the P-51B purely for it's ability to turn somewhat better than the P-47, yet maintain speed. As well as being quite long range, and being able to carry a bomb payload of some signifigance. While at limited fields, it's reach could be felt from virtually anywhere stationed.

3) Fighters with cannons - well here's where I defered on the opinion of the allies who gave one. I haven't flown the F4U series much, nor the Tiffy. If I was aware of how devestating the cannon were, I'd have been more likely to chose. I also felt that the mossie would be adequate in it's use as an effective dive bomber, which a GOOD deal of cannon to boot.

However, if pilots aren't going to fly the planes, the way they were built to be flown, I can not accept responsibility for that. I also have a feeling that no matter which planes I chose, the other would have been requested. If I'd have taken the Hurri II, people would complain about lack of speed. If I'd have chosen the F4U, Rear view would be an issue, and if I'd have taken the tiffy, well surely durability would be mentioned.

Bottom line is, no matter which choices I made, some would be happy, some would not. Either way, they're choices I can not change, and can only learn from.

We'll work with what we have. and win/lose it's been an awesome experience!

[indy007]

Originally posted by swareiam
If you just want to be the lone wolf. That is what the MA is for.

Funny, I don't get many complaints about how I play.

[Larry]

Chapel I had the same thing happen when I picked the 190. The decision is yours if anyone wants to whine about what A/C you have I would like to say this. Why didnt I see you steping forward when they were asking for COs?



I think the B17 would be a great pick if people would use them in formations to knock out hangers/town. P51B on the other hand is only good if it is at 20kish escorting the bombers. I does have 2k of bombs and rockets and is about 20mph faster then the jug but it can not out turn it. I dont know what your third pick was. Iv heard people saying they saw a sherman others say P51Ds.


Now to this F4UC. I hard what none of our perked planes can be added untill the last week that is why you guys havent been getting swarmed by our Me262s yet.

[Chapel]

P-51B's can only haul 2X500lbs of ordinance.
Problem with the B-17's is the freakin bombsite is broke. This "Old" method is really cool and all, but HIGHLY inaccurate. It's pretty unsatisfying to get up for an hour and a half sortie, get to alt, and drop an entire payload and only hit 1 or 2 ack or ordinance.

My squad went to bomber training tonight, and did quite well. We came into the AvA and had high hopes of dropping fighter hangers at 2 airfields. We had taken lancs, and got em nice and high to 15K. 3 passes and we managed to hit 1 fighter hanger, 1 bomber hanger, and 1 ack, 1 ammo bunker.

The FH, Ack, and Ammo bunker were only hit cause we salvo'd half our payload on the last run. It's quite disapointing, and the reason you haven't seen many B-17's or heavy bombers.

[EagleEyes]

My tomcatters have suffered the same problem.  And i know there will be jokes about how we cant hit nothing, its our fault, blah blah blah, but its a real problem.  Ive been playing AH since 2001.  And i used the only way before and its  the "same" one now.  But there are problems with it, because even i cant hit anything.  And i used to climb to 30k+ in Lancs and flatten bases....

[Motherland]

Originally posted by EagleEyes
My tomcatters have suffered the same problem.  And i know there will be jokes about how we cant hit nothing, its our fault, blah blah blah, but its a real problem.  Ive been playing AH since 2001.  And i used the only way before and its  the "same" one now.  But there are problems with it, because even i cant hit anything.  And i used to climb to 30k+ in Lancs and flatten bases....

Its probably just the fact that you havent used it in forever... a bit rusty.

Bombing wasnt 'put a bomb in a pickle barrel' in WWII either. I honestly hate the current MA bombsight due to its totally unrealistic accuracy (as you said, climbing to 30k and flattening bases..)

[EagleEyes]

Originally posted by Motherland
Its probably just the fact that you havent used it in forever... a bit rusty.

Bombing wasnt 'put a bomb in a pickle barrel' in WWII either. I honestly hate the current MA bombsight due to its totally unrealistic accuracy (as you said, climbing to 30k and flattening bases..)

Oh i agree with you completely.  Thats why they had 100s of bombers to bomb 1 factory.  But because we cant get hundreds of bombers, it would be nice to have the more accurate bomb site.  AH overall isnt an accurate WWII sim.  If it was, an A6M2 wouldn't be able to catch a P-51D in a dive from 15k, but they do, at times! lol

[Larry]

For those who say there are problems with the bomb site or its broke you are wrong. Its not the bombsite settings its you. You are used to the MAs bombsite, but there is nothing wrong with the one we have. The first two weeks were a problem because the small map plus the fog range made it really hard to line up on target. So you would have to turn a bit and didnt have enough time to get speed right to hit. With the italy and now the finrus map those problems are gone, and if you take your time you can hit anything. The only thing different from MA and AvA bombsite is you have to set target alt. Its not that hard to hit "esc", hold shift, then click. If you dont beleave me I want in to the AvA a bit ago and went rook, uped some b17, and took them to 10k. I then successfully took out all three vehicle hangers on a Vbase, useing eight out of the twelve five hundred pounders. I filmed it and gave step by step instructions on how to bomb in the AvA. Hope you guys learn something from it.





AvA Bombing

[Redlegs]

Ive used this site a couple times and it's easy to get used to. Now that Ive gotten the hang of it accurate bombing isn't too hard.