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Offline XAKL

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Chapel why did you pick the current planes?
« on: February 05, 2008, 12:00:53 PM »
I eagerly log on because i'm thinking we're going to get new planes that will tilt the balance to the Allies and then the disappointment!

What were the choices?
Why pick Lancs and B-17???
Why pick P-51B??

We only need Lanc or B-17 not both
You should have picked Tiffy, Corsair with cannons,
P-51B is worthless in this map


that's just my opinion, but i'll make lemonade and given lemons

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Chapel why did you pick the current planes?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2008, 12:47:38 PM »
The choices were based off of popular opinion and consent. Most people wanted the B-17 and the P-51B. Everyone had a chance to chime in and throw out thier choices.
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2008, 12:59:57 PM »
Surprised B17's got the majority support when you already had Lancasters and B26's. Considering the clouds are so low on this map and the bomb sites are a pane, high alt bombers are almost a waste IMO.

I would agree you needed better cannon fighters.
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2008, 01:14:14 PM »
If we're going by popular consent, we might as well get ready for a Spixteen, Lala and B-24 next round.

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Re: Chapel why did you pick the current planes?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2008, 01:27:14 PM »
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P-51B is worthless in this map

Heh.

A P-51B flying with a Spit9 is an almost unbeatable combination.  The 51 will chase down any Axis plane trying to run away, and the Spit will clobber it in the subsequent turn fight.  Give credit to Chapel for an inspired choice - if you're planning to fly according to some sort of plan, that is.

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2008, 02:27:05 PM »
Our halting the Axis advance last night couldn't have happened without the range of the P-51B.  We were able to go from cruising speed, to max throttle and full speed in no time to engage the enemy.  Without the firepower, speed, range, and pilots of the P-51s last night, we wouldn't have been able to do what we did!
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Chapel why did you pick the current planes?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2008, 02:37:00 PM »
i have a question ,why is there no post about allied base captures?the axis beats their chest proudly every time they milk one ,like last night i guess they got 3 more after most everyone logged off {least after me i left at 2330est}

just wondered cause i thought we needed base captures =points=new planes ,,is this correct?
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2008, 02:55:58 PM »
to get points you need to capture consecutive bases. i was on until 1230est and we didnt capture any more bases because we couldnt get points for them.........
« Last Edit: February 05, 2008, 02:58:37 PM by captain1ma »

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2008, 02:57:36 PM »
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i have a question ,why is there no post about allied base captures?the axis beats their chest proudly every time they milk one ,like last night i guess they got 3 more after most everyone logged off {least after me i left at 2330est}

just wondered cause i thought we needed base captures =points=new planes ,,is this correct?


Several reasons to this question, and they're being addressed on the Allied forum.

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Re: Re: Chapel why did you pick the current planes?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2008, 03:06:08 PM »
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Heh.

A P-51B flying with a Spit9 is an almost unbeatable combination.  The 51 will chase down any Axis plane trying to run away, and the Spit will clobber it in the subsequent turn fight.  Give credit to Chapel for an inspired choice - if you're planning to fly according to some sort of plan, that is.

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Chapel,

Oldman makes an important and overlooked point. Granted that I have not flown every last minute in the AvA, but our figther tactics have much to be desired. We're not flying together setting picks and traps for the Axis. But, they sure are...

We need some coordinated (ACT), fighter sweeps and mission oriented wingman assignments to pick those Axis nuts apart. We should not allow them to land 9, 11, or 14 kills in one flight; that is just ridiculous. I hear a lot of whinning and complaining as they pick us apart in our scattered gaggles. We fuss when we get shot down after being jumped in a four on one. This should be unexceptable. We need you to lay down our tactical ground rules.

We know historically it was quite the opposite for the Allies. You have a tough job. So, my hat is off to you. If I don't speak for anyone else; I speak for myself. We don't need Uber planes. We need coordinated Uber tactics. Its time to breakout your best Hub Zemke or Jimmy Doolittle. Dude worry not, we will follow you or at least I will. We have the planes, lets kick the crap out of these guys.

I won't put the entire burden upon your shoulder. We as a group should know what tactics to use when you're not around. It is a personal decision for each Allied pilot to make.

For goodness sake; ask the guy that took off just before you to wing up with you. Make coordinate attacks. Fly to and from targets together.  Don't spread your altitude so far apart from each other. As best as possible clear your commrades Six, Yes, especially when you don't know him. Most importantly stay together; safety in numbers!

If you just want to be the lone wolf. That is what the MA is for.

You guys are great at taking bases. A large majority of the Allied pilots are really good sticks as well. Now, you guys that are not and you know who you are. Wing up with some of the guys that can teach you some ACM.

"Spring Chicken to ****ehawk in one easy lesson".

Yes, I know that the aircraft have already changed, but the 190A-5 should not have kicked that much but last month.

Allied pilots lets stick together;

Gentlemen, I am not trying to lead this. I am simply making an observation.

MHO



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Chapel why did you pick the current planes?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2008, 03:19:15 PM »
You know the Allies have their own forum dont you?

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2008, 12:52:57 AM »
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The choices were based off of popular opinion and consent. Most people wanted the B-17 and the P-51B. Everyone had a chance to chime in and throw out thier choices.

Chapel

You as a Commander think about this.  You have to think beyond popular opinion and consent.  You listen to what your subordinates suggest, but then you have to make your own decision, not based on popular opinion or consent but what you feel is the right thing to do.  Just think about the situation in Iraq.  Again I will support your decision.  I was hoping for a more intuitive answer.

Oldman, whom I respect dearly, suggests that P-51B is effective in chasing down a faster Axis plane and put up a good fight, but he is way off.  The point of winning the war is to capture bases not dogfight.  We need fighters which can destroy towns as well as dogfight, and the only way to achieve this effectively is to employ Cannon firing fighters.  

I do not doubt that P-51B is an effective fighter, especially in long range mission, but is worthless in destroying bases and towns since most bases are within one sector of each other.  Didn't you think Tiffy would have been more suitable choice? or even Hurri II (maybe not Hurri II, it's too uber)

I didn't see any forums about picking the next set of planes, so as you can imagine my surprise.  However I'll close by saying that I will support your command decision.

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Re: Re: Chapel why did you pick the current planes?
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2008, 12:57:37 AM »
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Heh.

A P-51B flying with a Spit9 is an almost unbeatable combination.  The 51 will chase down any Axis plane trying to run away, and the Spit will clobber it in the subsequent turn fight.  Give credit to Chapel for an inspired choice - if you're planning to fly according to some sort of plan, that is.

- oldman


Exactly.  And we (Axis) felt the pain last frame without the 109F in conjuction with the 190A-5. employed in exactly the same way.   Choices made are leading to interesting matchups, (IMHO).  Having alot of fun in the AvA.

P51B is never worthless, when employeed with a good turner like the Spit.

EDIT: I would add, I hear Mugadai's words loud and clear as well.  No substitute for big guns in a land grabbing war.  It all adds to the appeal of this new attempt in the arena.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2008, 01:00:14 AM »
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Our halting the Axis advance last night couldn't have happened without the range of the P-51B.  We were able to go from cruising speed, to max throttle and full speed in no time to engage the enemy.  Without the firepower, speed, range, and pilots of the P-51s last night, we wouldn't have been able to do what we did!


I was on last night (Monday) from 1930 to 2200, and I don't recall any advances made by Allies.  What do recall is that Allies had superior # than Axis, but Allies did not capture any fields.  I saw bunch of Allies flying Lancs and providing long range escort by P-51Bs, but no base were ever captured.  I even brought a goon to what I thought should be ready, because a lot of bombs were dropped in the airfield, but none were dropped in the town.  Subsequently, I lost my goon.

So are we talking about the same time??

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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2008, 01:19:23 AM »
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