american woman jailed & beaten for sitting w/colleagues at coffee shop

[Shuffler]

Even in America .... an American Citizen is treated second rate. To all the wetback, cubans, any trash that washes on shore........

Politically Correct just means no spine!

[uberhun]

She should have been stoned!:O

[Mickey1992]

I am sure the Saudis think the same thing when one of their citizens is arrested in the US for slapping his wife around.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by john9001
they do not respect our culture.

That's an understatement. Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers were Saudi.

[texasmom]

I don't believe her to be that much of a victim. Does it suck? Sure.

However, if you willingly work & live in another country ~ and know what kind of people that they are ~ why be surprised or appalled when an incident like this occurs?

[Curval]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
They'll probably let her off with a light punishment though, just a beheading.

Nice one Abdullah...like it, like it.

*shut up you*

Terrific race the Arabs.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Sandman
That's an understatement. Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers were Saudi.

While that is true, the Saudi government was not behind the attacks. So I see the nationality of the hijackers as irrelevant.

[texasmom]

Originally posted by Elfie
While that is true, the Saudi government was not behind the attacks. So I see the nationality of the hijackers as irrelevant.

Other than there's probably more *******s where they came from.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by texasmom
Other than there's probably more *******s where they came from.

Winner!

[texasmom]

Originally posted by Mickey1992
I am sure the Saudis think the same thing when one of their citizens is arrested in the US for slapping his wife around.

They probably do. But they should likewise respect the laws of this country while they're living/working here ~ and keep their hands off.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by texasmom
I don't believe her to be that much of a victim. Does it suck? Sure.

However, if you willingly work & live in another country ~ and know what kind of people that they are ~ why be surprised or appalled when an incident like this occurs?

Probably because of all the money, time, and American lives' that have been spent to keep The Saudi Princes' in power, and not in Saddam's dungeon...or in front of his Firing squad.

[SIG220]

Originally posted by texasmom
Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother for sitting with a man:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3321637.ece

Even though I believe that the law they're talking about here is completely ridiculous... You should still show respect for the laws of the host country (regardless of how idiotic they are).  If she's already been living in that country for 8 years, I'm sure she's familiar enough with the separate seating arrangements required at the local starbucks.

This is pretty tame and insignificant compared to other abuses of women in Muslim nations.   For example, this morning's NBC Today show told the story of an American soldier in Afghanistan who is organizing help for a 15 year old divorced woman who was abused by her elderly arranged marriage husband that she was forced to marry.

Because she would not properly "obey" her husband, he beat her into unconsciousness.   When she woke up, she found that her head had been shaved, her nose had been cut off, and half of both of her ears had each been cut off too.   His beating was so bad that he punched out 16 of her teeth, and he also badly burned both her hands and feet, injuring and scarring them as well.

This man faces no prosecution at all, as under conservative Muslim law, he had the right to punish his wife for disobedience and to divorce her.  Of course, he left her so badly mutilated that it will now be about impossible for the 15 yr old girl to ever marry again.   She now faces a life of becoming a beggar in Afghan society, unless she gets help.

Anyway, the American soldier is raising money to help her, and make sure she gets good medical care, and hopefully also get dentures, and even some plastic surgery.

The news story can be seen online here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23048241#23048241

This might be a good cause to donate money to.

SIG 220

[Mickey1992]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329605,00.html

"Two weeks before Yara, an American businesswoman, was arrested by Saudi Arabia's religious police for sitting with a male colleague at Starbucks, she said she strolled past the very same cafe with another businessman: Neil Bush."

"Yara's crime: sitting with a male business partner in the "family-only" section of the Starbucks -- the only area of the café where women and men can sit together. In Saudi Arabia, public contact between unrelated men and women is strictly prohibited."

This woman knew the laws and violated them.  No matter how much you disagree with the law, she screwed up.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by Mickey1992
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329605,00.html

"Two weeks before Yara, an American businesswoman, was arrested by Saudi Arabia's religious police for sitting with a male colleague at Starbucks, she said she strolled past the very same cafe with another businessman: Neil Bush."

"Yara's crime: sitting with a male business partner in the "family-only" section of the Starbucks -- the only area of the café where women and men can sit together. In Saudi Arabia, public contact between unrelated men and women is strictly prohibited."

This woman knew the laws and violated them.  No matter how much you disagree with the law, she screwed up.

Mickey, in this case, I believe that what the argument is here, is as to the validity of the law...or the regime upholding it.

[Engine]

From Dr. King's Birmingham Jail letter:

There are just laws and there are unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that an unjust law is no law at all... One who breaks an unjust law must do it openly, lovingly...I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the very highest respect for law.

Sadly, I don't think this tactic would work in Saudi Arabia. I believe their community has very little conscience.