Author Topic: american woman jailed & beaten for sitting w/colleagues at coffee shop (Read 1621 times)

texasmom · « **Reply #30 on:** February 07, 2008, 03:06:54 PM »

I don't think so either.

Any effort to bring attention to the laws regarding their treatment of women over there will be best received if they're put forth by a man, for one thing... not ever by women.

I'm always thankful for my husband, who treats me as good as gold. I can't imagine being treated the way that those women over there are treated.

Would be nice to see things change for the better for them. Don't see it anytime soon though.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #31 on:** February 07, 2008, 03:24:08 PM »

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Originally posted by texasmom
I don't think so either.

Any effort to bring attention to the laws regarding their treatment of women over there will be best received if they're put forth by a man, for one thing... not ever by women.

I'm always thankful for my husband, who treats me as good as gold. I can't imagine being treated the way that those women over there are treated.

Would be nice to see things change for the better for them. Don't see it anytime soon though.

With their strict adherence to Islam, It would probably take a(n) U.S. military intervention, Along with replacing their whole constitution and form of Gov't. Which won't happen, either.

Angus · « **Reply #32 on:** February 07, 2008, 04:47:54 PM »

In another...but similar ballpark, an Iranian now faces execution for the crime of drinking.....3 times!

RedTop · « **Reply #33 on:** February 07, 2008, 05:09:54 PM »

There's another topic that speaks about Shiria law becoming a big part of the U.K. way of life. It's an interesting read to say the least.

Wouldn't be suprised for that type of thinking to make its way here soon.

In that way this woman is screwed. Whether we agree or not with their backward bellybutton way of doing things and treating thier women like ****...it is something she should have been more aware of.

I feel sorry for the direction this world is moving...and the quickness in which it's happening.

Yknurd · « **Reply #34 on:** February 07, 2008, 05:53:03 PM »

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No Human is Illegal!

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #35 on:** February 09, 2008, 04:57:45 AM »

What about that case a few days ago where a British man went to jail for 4 years in Dubai because they found 0.003 grams of weed stuck to the bottom of his shoe? It's microscopical amount that you can't see with bare eye.

4 years for stepping accidentaly on a trace of dope.

I wonder why the hell people go there anyway.

Rich46yo · « **Reply #36 on:** February 09, 2008, 06:03:42 AM »

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329605,00.html

"Two weeks before Yara, an American businesswoman, was arrested by Saudi Arabia's religious police for sitting with a male colleague at Starbucks, she said she strolled past the very same cafe with another businessman: Neil Bush."

"Yara's crime: sitting with a male business partner in the "family-only" section of the Starbucks -- the only area of the café where women and men can sit together. In Saudi Arabia, public contact between unrelated men and women is strictly prohibited."

This woman knew the laws and violated them. No matter how much you disagree with the law, she screwed up.

German Jews knew the Laws and screwed up to right? According to your calculations? Black Americans who sat in the white part of the Diner 60 years ago also knew the Laws and are at fault right?

I think the point we are making is that when the Laws are so unfair and inhuman then they really aren't laws and are instead tools of tyranny. The Saudis are a bunch of unwashed savages. Even most A-rabs dont like them. Man it just galls me that we have spent so much American blood protecting these mutts.

18 months service in that region but you'll never get me back there I dont care how much $ is to be had.

texasmom · « **Reply #37 on:** February 09, 2008, 09:53:02 AM »

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German Jews knew the Laws and screwed up to right? According to your calculations? Black Americans who sat in the white part of the Diner 60 years ago also knew the Laws and are at fault right?

I think the point we are making is that when the Laws are so unfair and inhuman then they really aren't laws and are instead tools of tyranny. The Saudis are a bunch of unwashed savages. Even most A-rabs dont like them. Man it just galls me that we have spent so much American blood protecting these mutts.

18 months service in that region but you'll never get me back there I dont care how much $ is to be had.

Not a valid comparison Rich. When you're speaking of black & the jews, you're talking about people having those discriminations forced upon them. The woman spoken about here is an american citizen who is living abroad in that country of her own free choice. She could leave at any time, and chooses to stay.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 09, 2008, 01:13:56 PM »

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Not a valid comparison Rich. When you're speaking of black & the jews, you're talking about people having those discriminations forced upon them. The woman spoken about here is an american citizen who is living abroad in that country of her own free choice. She could leave at any time, and chooses to stay.

...Texasmom, that really isn't in the same context. Because (a.) It could be said that Rosa Parks, or Martin Luther King jr. were free to go live in someplace like Liberia, If you use that reasoning. Lots' of Jews' fled Germany, as well. This woman was in Saudi Arabia as a part of her employment. I'm sure she could have left. It probably would have been without a job. And (b.) It said she was an American? As in American citizen? If this had been 1908, Teddy Roosevelt would have had Marines' storm the jail to free her; In 2008, she's marooned by political expediency. It's so damn sad, to see what we've come to...

It's been the western world that has brought them off of riding camels, to riding in Benz's. From sleeping in tents' in wadi's, to Air-conditioned palaces. From being a bunch of wandering nomad tribes, to being an influential and recognized nation. You would think they might show a little respect for the way we do things. Like we do for them, when they visit our country.

texasmom · « **Reply #39 on:** February 09, 2008, 01:28:48 PM »

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...Texasmom, that really isn't in the same context. Because (a.) It could be said that Rosa Parks, or Martin Luther King jr. were free to go live in someplace like Liberia, If you use that reasoning. Lots' of Jews' fled Germany, as well. This woman was in Saudi Arabia as a part of her employment. I'm sure she could have left. It probably would have been without a job. And (b.) It said she was an American? As in American citizen? If this had been 1908, Teddy Roosevelt would have had Marines' storm the jail to free her; In 2008, she's marooned by political expediency. It's so damn sad, to see what we've come to...

It's been the western world that has brought them off of riding camels, to riding in Benz's. From sleeping in tents' in wadi's, to Air-conditioned palaces. From being a bunch of wandering nomad tribes, to being an influential and recognized nation. You would think they might show a little respect for the way we do things. Like we do for them, when they visit our country.

Not really. Rosa Parks & Martin Luther King were battling against injustices within their own country. Could they have been free to move to Liberia? Sure. Is it a good comparison? No.

This gal is there for 8 years, working of her own free will in another country. Eight years is long enough to see how they operate, know their laws & choose whether or not she wants to live like a barbarian. Choice was obviously yes, otherwise she would have left before 8 years time.

"Like we do for them?" You mean, in the way she abided by their law of separate seating?

No, for her I don't feel badly at all.

Rich46yo · « **Reply #40 on:** February 09, 2008, 04:00:04 PM »

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Originally posted by texasmom
Not a valid comparison Rich. When you're speaking of black & the jews, you're talking about people having those discriminations forced upon them. The woman spoken about here is an american citizen who is living abroad in that country of her own free choice. She could leave at any time, and chooses to stay.

It is most certainly a valid comparison. Just because something is written into Law doesnt make it right. Whether she is free to leave or not has nothing to do with it.

I lived in a Muslim nation. When the Saudis allowed her into the country she was given the status of "guest". And guests should not be treated like that. Nobody should be treated like that. Their Laws are as draconian and hateful as any in history. Their religious Police are simply a gang of religious zealots of the same order we are supposed to be fighting.

How would any of you like it if your wives, mothers, or sisters went to a foreign country and were treated like this? And for what? Sitting with males in a coffee shop? Are you kidding me?

And I'll tellya something else if anyone thinks she wasnt singled out because she was American I'll bet your wrong. These religious Police do what they want when they want and get away with it.

texasmom · « **Reply #41 on:** February 09, 2008, 04:04:42 PM »

Yeah, that's all true. I'm looking strictly from the smaller standpoint of: she had a choice to put herself in that bad situation or not; and she chose to do so instead of not.

You're looking at it from the broader standpoint of: it should never be a situation like that to begin with.

Rich46yo · « **Reply #42 on:** February 09, 2008, 07:26:05 PM »

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Yeah, that's all true. I'm looking strictly from the smaller standpoint of: she had a choice to put herself in that bad situation or not; and she chose to do so instead of not.

You're looking at it from the broader standpoint of: it should never be a situation like that to begin with.

I'll bet 99% of the time woman are warned first. Her luck was she ran into an especially demented band of religious morons who probably wanted to make an example of Americans. Youv probably never lived in these kinda place while I have. They are all corrupt and the Police and military can basically do what they want with no repercussions.

Yaknow its really kind of strange a woman would make the statement you did. Do you think rape victims are guilty of putting themselves in situations?

Go to one of these manure pile countries, get the "your livestock treatment", and then come back and tell me she, "put herself in a bad situation".

I myself despise the Saudis. Frankly the thought of them abusing a woman like that makes me want to put the boots to these religious police. Or whatever the hell these fanatics call themselves.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #43 on:** February 09, 2008, 07:32:48 PM »

Everyone who goes there is guilty of going there. Asking for trouble basically.

AKIron · « **Reply #44 on:** February 09, 2008, 07:40:48 PM »

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Everyone who goes there is guilty of going there. Asking for trouble basically.

True.

I have to wonder if this woman was stupid, thumbing her nose at local custom, or had a lapse in judgement.