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Offline Masherbrum

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2008, 07:30:21 PM »
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Yup.  But the Tony is a difficult plane to fly well, takes some learning.  Keep the speed in the 200s is my advice.  And don't expect it to be able to outturn Spits, there really are not a lot of planes that can do that.

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Only Spit I cannot outturn in a Tony, is the Mk 1.   The other's are outturned easily.
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2008, 09:39:17 PM »
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Only Spit I cannot outturn in a Tony, is the Mk 1.   The other's are outturned easily.

You and I should meet to test that.

- oldman (hey, it will give me a chance to fly a spit!)

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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2008, 09:47:46 PM »
He's not really "outturning" a spitty as much as outflying the other guy. The tony is a great E to angles fighter and if you keep it on the "X" it'll hang with just about anything. It's amazingly docile at high AoA and really just falls off vs stalling It'll reload E very quickly so it creates a pretty good window of opportunity till the gerbal finally dies. Most spit drivers will get to fast or to slow vs a good tony driver. It's alot like the F6F in that regard...it'll beat most spit drivers....not most spits.

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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2008, 09:48:30 PM »
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You and I should meet to test that.

- oldman (hey, it will give me a chance to fly a spit!)
I do it all day long in the LWA.    Ask anyone.   If they see a Rook Tony, I'm usually asked if it's me on 200.
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2008, 12:18:15 AM »
I love PWN'ing people in Hurricane I/II's, FM-2's, Yak 9-T/U's, La-5FN's, and Bf109-F's.  The Hurricane is a NASTY little angles fighter.  The majority of pilots in the LWA just don't know how to deal with it.  It is as if in their minds slow=bad turner, and try to get in an angles fight with me.  Many a Spit 8/16, has fallen to the .303's sawing off the elevators/rudder.  

The FM-2, is also a surprise to most.  I usually can get most Noobs, to blow their E, trying to pick me repeatedly, then pounce on them as they flop around like fish out of water.  Learning to evade the pick, and force them into my fight, is a fine art.

The Yak's are hidden jewels of this game, most people don't take the time to appreciate the finer points of the Yak's qualities.  The La-5FN, is ignored mostly because of its slightly faster, harder hitting brother the La-7.  And lastly the 109-F, it's agility catches those used to the later G/K "dump-truck" flight models by surprise.

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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2008, 12:45:31 AM »
i used to love flying the p38G as it was a competant fighter but then some jerkwad p38 dweeb complained about the p38s being to heavy or underpowered or some nonsense. if I remember right HTC researched it again and found the p38G to be too light and added 500lbs to the 38G to make it more accurate.

I find the p38G to be very unenjoyable to fly in any arena since that happened.

and it was my main ride for a long time.
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2008, 03:38:42 AM »
To my surpise you dont see many 109f's out there, even if it will hang with the best of the planes in any situation, just make sure you hold that alt because once your on the deck doing 300, Its La7 food.

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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2008, 03:51:44 AM »
I like the 109F and the P40 for some odd reason. When I first started in AH there was a pilot, I think his name was hapvodka or something like that as I havn't seen him on in ages, and he did P40 sweeps all the time. First time I ever landed multiple kills was in a P40. I still use it. Climb up to 25k and dive down on people, they don't expect it to be as good as it is.

Its interesting you mention the LA7 v. 109F on the deck Adonai, in the vid I have on youtube it shows my 109F take down an LA7 on the deck. It's a great plane.

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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2008, 05:31:46 AM »
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To my surpise you dont see many 109f's out there, even if it will hang with the best of the planes in any situation, just make sure you hold that alt because once your on the deck doing 300, Its La7 food.



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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2008, 07:04:34 AM »
I too love the ki61, think ill be flying it more now mentioned.

The key drawbacks are, engine power, and cannon ammo. "well it runs out quickly because of rate of fire."

The second querk realy, is the fact if you want decent roll rate, the wing tanks MUST be used up first. The roll rate is not that bad i guess, but it sure helps when they are empty.

Oh yeah and only use the cannons when you have a for sure shot, otherwise use the machine guns to range target.


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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2008, 07:36:15 AM »
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To my surpise you dont see many 109f's out there, even if it will hang with the best of the planes in any situation, just make sure you hold that alt because once your on the deck doing 300, Its La7 food.
 I love that plane, it's probably my second favorite. I don't fly it as much as I should, but then again I don't really fly as much as I want to. I prefer planes that can't run because it makes me fight(though poorly in most cases).
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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2008, 10:04:22 AM »
I see a lot of comments about burning off fuel in wing tanks first to improve roll rate. Typically, the aircraft being referred to are the C.205, Ki-61 and F4U-1A.

Personally, I find this to be an exercise that is generally meaningless. The increase in roll rate is negligible at best. Indeed, the gain is usually less than 5 degrees per second during the initial part of the roll, if that.

If 5 degrees per second is what you believe is all that separates you from damnation, then you must re-think the equation.

Weight of fuel, total fuel, is of greater consequence. Especially is a low-speed fight or one that breaks down to a low-speed fight. I'm much more concerned with minimizing my wing loading than sweating a few degrees of roll rate.

Managing your aircraft begins in the hanger. Think about how much ammunition you have when you return from a flight. If you consistently return with plenty of gas, but empty guns, you're loading an excessive amount of fuel.

You can gain improvement in both roll rate and wing loading by taking less internal fuel. Supplement your fuel with external, disposable fuel tanks. In most cases, when you decrease internal fuel, the wing tanks are those reduced or unfilled. Perhaps two drop tanks (as in the Ki-61) is more weight  and drag than you what. Pitch off one of them. 50% fuel and a single drop tank is usually adequate.

When flying the F4U-1A you are faced with a compromise. By adding a drop tank you add the rack to carry it. The rack cannot be ejected. Thus, you lose about 6 to 8 mph of max speed capability. I'd trade the speed for the reduced wing loading. Like the Ki-61, 50% internal fuel and the belly tank is adequate.

As for the C.205, you don't have an external fuel option. So, you can burn off the wing tanks if you wish, but any rate roll increase you expect is largely in your mind. The weight of fuel in the wings is small and the actual, measured roll rate increase is insignificant.

Roll rate is only one aspect of overall aircraft performance, and far from the greatest aspect. The far more important factor is the person piloting the aircraft. ACM skill, aircraft handling skill and rock solid Situational Awareness are orders of magnitude more important than trying to optimize roll rate. If you encounter a significantly more skilled pilot than you, a tiny increase in roll rate will have zero impact upon the inevitable outcome.

My advice is simple. Stop trying to pick the fly turds out of the pepper and concentrate on the far more important factors that most impact your ability to be successful flying fighters.

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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2008, 10:40:32 AM »
You should RARELY, EVER need more than 50% fuel w/ NO DT in a Tony.    If you have to travel a couple sectors, then grab 75%.    The DT is NOT NEEDED at all.   Grabbing the DT is pointless.  

I have flown the Tony enough to know that "whatever happens" when you burn the wing tanks, is the craft becomes very stable.    I can turn tighter, roll a little bit better (not a ton better).    It isn't in my mind, because I turn with 90% of the fighters in the LWA, while in it.   Spits are easy for me to turn with.    Hogs are easy meat as well.   I've even gotten AKDogg in one, he even admitted he misjudged my E.    

What I find funny is that the majority of the "dweeb rides" I come across, while in the Tony, end up doing something "cocky".    In doing so, they not only misjudge my E retention, but they are often in the hangar very quickly.    

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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2008, 10:48:03 AM »
The other day my squaddies and I tried a few odd ball a/c in late war and had a blast . We took the P40 , Hurri Mk1 , A6m2 , C 202 and it is a learning curve as everyone of these planes will get you into trouble but are not fast enough to get you out . Really you look for places to seperate or extend and get away but much of the time you don't get to .
 My Favs are P40E , C 205 I land them occassionally , but learn alot too !!:D
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2008, 11:42:39 AM »
i am not that good but some times i can hold my own in the LWA.

i like the ki61 i spent a month or two flying it and landed a good number of kills the thing i like most was when a new guy caled me a cheat because i shot down his chog  then his f4fu4 in the same flight.

learn to fly it and youll have losts of pleasure.
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