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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2008, 06:18:46 AM »
This is what happens when liberals are in charge!

At least the intruder's not Muslim.  Then you would have turn his hospital bed five times a day so he could pray to Mecca.
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2008, 06:32:01 AM »
Here in Oz, The Liberals are our right wingers. The left belongs to the Labour Party and then there are the way left wacko's like the NDP, Greens, Democrats and the ultra right wingers The National Party, The United Australia Party and the Family First party.
But predominantly the system is bipartisan, Labour and the Liberal/National coalition ( the Libs generally don't have the numbers on their own and the Nationals get a lot of the country vote.)
However it was the Coalition under the leadership of King Johnny that took away our guns:cry  Pretty much all parties favour big government, and all our politicians purport to be serving their electorates while pandering to the biggest contributors.
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2008, 07:00:58 AM »
"This is what happens when liberals are in charge!"

Plug you head out of your ass? Hard? Just head for the light!!! Quick!

No, seriously. The story tells that the younger man allegedly tried to break in. Note: a l l e g e d l y.

If he really was trying to break in there should be no problem providing evidence of mechanical damage to the door. Even with that there was no right to outright shoot at him. Even officials are required to warn offenders of consequences of their actions.

If you could just shoot people standing on your porch without any consequences some professions would become quite dangerous. If a you find a guy in your house with a screwdriver in his hand hes either a burglar and you have a right to defend yourself if he tries to threaten your life, or he might be an unfortunate electrician and you suffer from amnesia.

But the story certainly provides a good kindling for typical O'Club BS(TM). :D

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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2008, 07:30:36 AM »
:rolleyes: What was the guy doing at the back door of the guys place in the middle of the night?

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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2008, 07:41:30 AM »
Agreed, defending your own home...
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2008, 07:43:04 AM »
Dunno, wrong door, he was having a piss? Is that a reason to kill somebody? The guy shot him in the lower part of the body but some idiot might as well aim for the head if there was no consequences.

While I am able to defend my home I'd call the police and let the intruder know that I know of his presence and if he enters I would shoot. I would end up in court no doubt and probably get a some marginal fine which would hurt much less than the 44Mag bullet hole in his leg. Welcome again.

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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2008, 07:47:08 AM »
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:rolleyes: What was the guy doing at the back door of the guys place in the middle of the night?


he was an unfortunate electrician, just trying to fix the porch light, obviously..:rolleyes:

if I had been the homeowner I probably would not have shot him on the porch, but once he steps into my house under those circumstances, he's fair game.

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2008, 07:50:31 AM »
middle of the night and breaking into the back door?  

no one here is seriously thinking it was the electrician at the wrong address are they?

If the guy would have died from the gunshot wound then there would only be one story.

Even here..   Many cops will tell you that if you shoot someone breaking in.. make sure he falls inside.. if he doesn't... drag his body in.

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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2008, 08:54:25 AM »
There was a similar incedent in Adelaide as well as south of Brisbane a few years back, though the intruders were both cold by the time the cops turned up.
Both of the home owners never got charged for this although there were a few bleedin hearts on the break and enter shouldnt be a death penalty.

Also an incedent at Redcliffe north of Brisbane, the home owner was thoughtful enough not to kill the intruder, however the intruder dragged the home owner into court and caused all sorts of legal bother for the elderly owner only to get nothing out of his wingeing about being used to stop a 12 gauge shotgun blast.

I am hoping that the evidence supports the break and enter thoery and the home owner walks.

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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2008, 09:02:22 AM »
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:rolleyes: What was the guy doing at the back door of the guys place in the middle of the night?


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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2008, 09:18:49 AM »
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No, seriously. The story tells that the younger man allegedly tried to break in. Note: a l l e g e d l y.
 


I do not know if the laws are the same down there, but here in the U.S. the media has to say "allegedly" because the suspect is innocent untill proven guilty in a court of law. Doesn't mean that there is undeniable evidence he did break in, just means he hasn't been convicted yet.

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2008, 09:35:21 AM »
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"This is what happens when liberals are in charge!"

Plug you head out of your ass? Hard? Just head for the light!!! Quick!

No, seriously. The story tells that the younger man allegedly tried to break in. Note: a l l e g e d l y.

If he really was trying to break in there should be no problem providing evidence of mechanical damage to the door. Even with that there was no right to outright shoot at him. Even officials are required to warn offenders of consequences of their actions.

If you could just shoot people standing on your porch without any consequences some professions would become quite dangerous. If a you find a guy in your house with a screwdriver in his hand hes either a burglar and you have a right to defend yourself if he tries to threaten your life, or he might be an unfortunate electrician and you suffer from amnesia.

But the story certainly provides a good kindling for typical O'Club BS(TM). :D

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The only one alleging the shootee was just standing on the porch is you. The article didn't state that. The article said he was allegedly trying to break in the back door. There also was no mention about the homeowner (who has the right to be in his own home while the shootee does not) giving a warning or not. The homeowner may well have been yelling for the shootee to leave. There was no indication in the article about damages to the door by the shootee and I fault the reporter for shoddy work there. They should have asked that question and if no answer was forthcoming stated that as well.

The bit about the article saying allegedly has already been covered. To be fair the article should also have used the same term in referring to the homeowner as in having allegedly shot the shootee. Then again using a firearm in defense of your home and life is far more sensational at that location than a mere burglary and assault.
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2008, 09:49:41 AM »
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I do not know if the laws are the same down there, but here in the U.S. the media has to say "allegedly" because the suspect is innocent untill proven guilty in a court of law. Doesn't mean that there is undeniable evidence he did break in, just means he hasn't been convicted yet.


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In 1997, I worked for a Sheriffs Office in rural Oklahoma and our evening shift deputies were called out to a shooting. They arrive to a 76 year old man on the porch (no gun) and a 37 year old man without a face lying just off the porch. Seems the 37yo was an ex-boyfriend of the 76yo's daughter. He was a woman beater so she left him and went to her dad's. Boyfriend came over earlier in the day to beg and plead for her to come home and how he loved her, etc. She was done with him and Dad took over stating to never come back to his property again. Boyfriend got angry but left. He returned about 9pm, causing a ruckus, trying to get in. 76yo walked to the front window, saw angry boyfriend trying to bust in, walked by the telephone to get his 12g shotgun, walked by the phone on his way to the front door. Boyfriend kicked door in, 76yo blasted his face off.

76yo man received 10 years for Manslaughter, a reduced charge from 2nd degree murder. He served one year and paroled only to die a year later.

He was convicted because he walked by the telephone twice and never called for help BEFORE he blasted the jerks face off. Had he called for help, he would not have been convicted. Sheriffs Department was alerted by the neighbor first, then the daughter, after the fact.

I am 100% for the right to bear arms in the protection of my family from intruders. Sometimes, there are circumstances that plead for common sense when you run to get your gun.

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2008, 10:08:48 AM »
"The only one alleging the shootee was just standing on the porch is you."

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