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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2008, 10:12:03 AM »
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Dunno, wrong door, he was having a piss? Is that a reason to kill somebody? The guy shot him in the lower part of the body but some idiot might as well aim for the head if there was no consequences.

While I am able to defend my home I'd call the police and let the intruder know that I know of his presence and if he enters I would shoot. I would end up in court no doubt and probably get a some marginal fine which would hurt much less than the 44Mag bullet hole in his leg. Welcome again.

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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2008, 10:26:19 AM »
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He was convicted because he walked by the telephone twice and never called for help BEFORE he blasted the jerks face off. Had he called for help, he would not have been convicted. Sheriffs Department was alerted by the neighbor first, then the daughter, after the fact.


Guess, I don't understand the logic that you must call for help BEFORE defending your home.  This homeowner should never have been convicted.  What law says that I must call for help before I defend my home?  

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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2008, 10:34:56 AM »
Yup go get on the phone and be killed while talking to the police. Common sense says protect yourself first. The 76 year old was smart enough to know what was going on. The law on the other hand was senseless. Must be one of those criminal protection states. The 37 yo put himself in that circumstance and paid the price.
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2008, 11:42:00 AM »
Kinda crazy no?
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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2008, 11:58:08 AM »
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76yo man received 10 years for Manslaughter, a reduced charge from 2nd degree murder. He served one year and paroled only to die a year later.

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a 10 year sentence and paroled after one year? your not telling is the whole story.

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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2008, 12:21:39 PM »
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"This is what happens when liberals are in charge!"

Plug you head out of your ass? Hard? Just head for the light!!! Quick!

No, seriously. The story tells that the younger man allegedly tried to break in. Note: a l l e g e d l y.

If he really was trying to break in there should be no problem providing evidence of mechanical damage to the door. Even with that there was no right to outright shoot at him. Even officials are required to warn offenders of consequences of their actions.

If you could just shoot people standing on your porch without any consequences some professions would become quite dangerous. If a you find a guy in your house with a screwdriver in his hand hes either a burglar and you have a right to defend yourself if he tries to threaten your life, or he might be an unfortunate electrician and you suffer from amnesia.

But the story certainly provides a good kindling for typical O'Club BS(TM). :D

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Oh, well, my but you certainly have some valid points and I find I must moderate my previous post.


I hope the find this guy innocent and throw a ticker tape parade for having the cajones to defend himself, his family and his property from some raging liberal criminal scum that was trying to break in and deprive him, his family or his property of their civil rights!  Remember life is a civil right.

If they find the perp was a crook or a drug addict I think they should pin a butterin' medal on his chest at the end of the parade.

Unfortunately, I really think this guy deserves some time in jail though:   Judge Drunky sentences this guy to one day in jail for not shooting the poofter in the head and killing the liberal scum criminal drug addict!

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2008, 12:57:25 PM »
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Oh, well, my but you certainly have some valid points and I find I must moderate my previous post.


I hope the find this guy innocent and throw a ticker tape parade for having the cajones to defend himself, his family and his property from some raging liberal criminal scum that was trying to break in and deprive him, his family or his property of their civil rights!  Remember life is a civil right.

If they find the perp was a crook or a drug addict I think they should pin a butterin' medal on his chest at the end of the parade.

Unfortunately, I really think this guy deserves some time in jail though:   Judge Drunky sentences this guy to one day in jail for not shooting the poofter in the head and killing the liberal scum criminal drug addict!

HAH.  And people think that I'm an ass.


lol I agree

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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2008, 01:02:19 PM »
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a 10 year sentence and paroled after one year? your not telling is the whole story.


Yes, I am telling the whole story. The man was a frail 76yo. He served a year in the County Jail as a Trustee. He wasn't a threat to society. I guess thats the rest of the story. He was in ill health for most of the time he was in jail. I guess I could have worded it better with, he received one year served, 9 years suspended.

Let me paint the picture a little better for those of you who don't see why he was convicted. He walked by a telephone not once, but twice. He said in his statement to the detectives that he heard something at the front door (area) and went to see what it was. He saw the ex outside, by his statement, trying to get into the glass exterior door, which was locked. He walked back to the back/master bedroom area to retrieve his shotgun. The shotgun was loaded before the incident. He returned, past the telephone, to the front door where the ex had gotten the glass door open and was kicking the wooden door. He stated that the ex kicked the door two or three times. Then the door came open and BLAMO! He fired from the hip, twice, from a 3-5' range. Neighbor actually called 911 when she saw the ex trying to get in the glass door. The daughter was dialing 911 when the father shot the ex. Deputies arrived 2 minutes after the daughters call and 7 minutes after the neighbor's call. I remember disagreeing with the decision as well. But the DA told me that there was a 5 minute timeline from the time Dad "had knowledge of the Ex's presence and possible danger at the residence" to the time he actually made entry to the home. Based on the fact that IF he would have dialed 911 when he had this knowledge and the actual response time of the responding deputies. This fact was enough to satisfy the elements of 2nd degree murder. The DA, from what I remember, offered the plea agreement to manslaughter with one year served and 9 suspended.

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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2008, 01:11:04 PM »
Well, if hillary is elected, its gonna get more severe, McCain and some liberal had violated our right to freedom of speech in 04 with a law they made regarding T.V. And people WANT McCain to be president.....
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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2008, 01:18:31 PM »
Thanks for fleshing that out Repoman, interesting and sad story. One concern I have with the DAs assesment though is, the difference in police response time to "my daughters ex is banging on the door" and "dad just shot and killed my ex" is probably quite a few minutes.

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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2008, 02:07:54 PM »
have any of you ever really made a 911 call?

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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2008, 02:10:48 PM »
Yes. Both times they took > 45 minutes to show up.

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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2008, 02:11:52 PM »
I have made several 911 calls in my lifetime.


The DA might want to check response times for a 1 year period. Even your 5 buck 8 ball can't determine how long police response might be. But hey to him it is only someone elses life, not his own.

Thank God the guy who shot the two illegals that were robbing a neighbors house here was on the phone with 911. He is considered a hero here.
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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2008, 02:16:29 PM »
Hard to believe any jury would convict the father for protecting his daughter.  What he did makes sense...get the shotgun first and deal with the immediate threat.  He told the man earlier not to come back.  The implication there is not to come back or be killed.  He gave fair warning.

I think I would have called the police after the first incident and let them know there might be trouble later on if the guy came back.  That if he tried to break in I would have to kill him as I would be in fear of my life and my daughter's life.



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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2008, 02:17:22 PM »
repoman..  I can't disagree with the decision more strongly..  

I feel that to protect my home and family that the first thing I should do is get the best tool possible in hand... if that tool would have been a phone then I would have passed up a shotgun to get to that phone.

But.. a phone is not a deterrent in any way and so I would not take the time to use it if I were going for the best tool for the job..  

The firearm.

I probly would have gone for the shotgun and asked the daughter to call the cops (if it was safe to use the phone.. the phone in a safe place).

Not only is the phone a crap solution as born out by history but..  by this case itself.. the neighbor used the phone and called the cops.. it did no good whatsoever.

The only thing that stopped the crime was the shotgun.. not a phone.  spending time to get the worst tool seems counter to best practicable policy.

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