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Offline bj229r

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« on: February 11, 2008, 08:55:19 PM »
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Kill the purdy trees or save the air?

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 Talk about a clash of cherished green values.

In a case with statewide significance, the Santa Clara County District Attorney's Office is pursuing a Sunnyvale couple under a little-known California law because redwood trees in their backyard cast a shadow over their neighbor's solar panels.

Richard Treanor and Carolynn Bissett own a Prius and consider themselves environmentalists. But they refuse to cut down any of the trees behind their house on Benton Street, saying they've done nothing wrong.

"We're just living here in peace. We want to be left alone," said Bissett, who with her husband has spent $25,000 defending themselves against criminal charges. "We support solar power, but we thought common sense would prevail."

Their neighbor Mark Vargas considers himself an environmentalist, too. His 10-kilowatt solar system, which he installed in 2001, is so big he pays only about $60 a year in electrical bills. He drives an electric car.

Vargas said he first asked Treanor and Bissett to chop down the eight redwoods, which the couple had planted from 1997 to 1999 along the fence separating their yards. Later, he asked them to trim the trees to about 15 feet.

"I offered to pay for the removal of the trees. I said let's try to work something out," Vargas said. "They said no to everything."


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 After several years of squabbling and failed mediation, Vargas filed a complaint with the Santa Clara County

district attorney arguing that the trees reduce the amount of electricity he can generate. In 2005, prosecutors agreed.

They sent Treanor and Bissett a letter informing them that they were in violation of California's Solar Shade Control Act and that if they didn't "abate the violation" within 30 days, they would face fines of up to $1,000 a day.

The law, signed by former Gov. Jerry Brown in 1978, is rarely used. But county prosecutors say Treanor and Bissett are breaking it.

"It's not that we think trees are more or less important than solar collectors. It's that our state's leaders have said under the following circumstances, solar takes precedence," said Ken Rosenblatt, supervising Santa Clara County deputy district attorney for environmental protection.

The law was written by former Assemblyman Chuck Imbrecht, a Ventura Republican, as a way to guarantee, amid the energy crises of the 1970s, that people who installed solar panels wouldn't see a drop in their investment from nearby trees.

It affects only trees planted after 1979, and bans trees or shrubs from shading more than 10 percent of a neighbor's solar panels between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m.

It does not apply to trees or shrubs that were there before the solar panels were installed. But - and here's the key distinction - it does apply to existing trees and shrubs that later grew big enough to shade the solar panels. A violation is an infraction, like a parking ticket, but with fines of up to $1,000 a day.

The redwoods, which Treanor and Bissett say they planted for privacy, are now between 20 and 40 feet tall.

In December, Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge Kurt Kumli found the couple guilty of one count of violating the Solar Shade Control Act. In a partial victory for each side, he ruled that six of the trees can remain and that the two generating the most shade must be removed. He also waived any fines.



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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2008, 08:58:53 PM »
the "Solar Shade Control Act", Monty Python would be proud. :rofl

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2008, 09:29:26 PM »
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Mark Vargas considers himself an environmentalist, too. His 10-kilowatt solar system, which he installed in 2001, is so big he pays only about $60 a year in electrical bills. He drives an electric car.

Vargas said he first asked Treanor and Bissett to chop down the eight redwoods, which the couple had planted from 1997 to 1999.


Seems to me that the trees were there before the neighbor installed his solar panels. No Catch-22 at all, the guy was just a poor planner on where to place his panels.
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2008, 09:42:33 PM »
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Originally posted by rpm
Seems to me that the trees were there before the neighbor installed his solar panels. No Catch-22 at all, the guy was just a poor planner on where to place his panels.
Yah, that would seem logical, which is precisely why it is wrong in Kalifornia--
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It affects only trees planted after 1979, and bans trees or shrubs from shading more than 10 percent of a neighbor's solar panels between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m.
LMAO ya can't make this watermelon up
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2008, 12:09:44 AM »
who was it?  Robin Williams... said, "California is like a bowl of cereal,  Full of nuts and flakes"...

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2008, 12:24:12 AM »
I thought ya'll fixed all that stuff when you recalled Gray Davis.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2008, 02:34:47 AM »
My tree-hugger schlong is bigger than YOUR tree-hugger schlong!!! :)

Few things these days quite so satisfying to observe. :)
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2008, 05:46:45 AM »
This guy calls himself an "environmentalist" yet he uses solar panels. What a tard. Solar panels take more energy to be made than they will produce in their lifetime.
Trees on the other hand are definetly a good thing. Except when they magically pop up in front of my 109.

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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2008, 05:55:02 AM »
So, Arnold + an Axe =?

(chopped tree,or panel?)

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2008, 08:14:12 AM »
I will probly use solar panels on my next house out in the country..  I do not claim to be an environmentalist.  I don't care how much energy they cost to make so long as they make me free of the power company to a great extent.

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