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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2008, 10:02:48 AM »
Put my vote down for this one.....  KI-44 SHOKI (TOJO)   :aok




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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2008, 03:27:14 PM »
1) Although far rarer than the Ki-44, I believe you IJAAF fans would be quite impressed with the Ki-100 (only 384 built). Although the validity of combat accounts is questionable (a matter of "we said/they said"), the plane was highly regarded by Japanese pilots. Supposedly it could dive with pony's and not worry about shedding parts or energy. It was also described as having superior maneuverability to the F6F.


2) As for the Ki-45, Absolutely :aok

I just wish we had need for the recon models of the Ki-46 Dinah in AH. IMO the prettiest plane the Japanese ever built.

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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2008, 10:33:06 PM »
1) Although far rarer than the Ki-44, I believe you IJAAF fans would be quite impressed with the Ki-100 (only 384 built). Although the validity of combat accounts is questionable (a matter of "we said/they said"), the plane was highly regarded by Japanese pilots. Supposedly it could dive with pony's and not worry about shedding parts or energy. It was also described as having superior maneuverability to the F6F.

The KI-100 wasn't that a great improvement over the KI-61 model we have now. Each had it's trade-offs - the KI-61 was faster but the KI-100 could climb better and had a higher ceiling.

Performance:
Maximum Speed (Ki-61-I): 348 mph (560 km/h)
Maximum Speed (Ki-61-II): 379 mph (610 km/h)
Maximum Speed (Ki-100): 367 mph (590 km/h)
Initial climb (Ki-61): 2,200 ft./min (675 m/min)
Initial climb (Ki-100): 3,280 ft./min (1000 m/min)
Service Ceiling (Ki-61-I): 32,800 ft. (10,000m)
Service Ceiling (Ki-61-II): 36,089 ft. (11,000m)
Service Ceiling (Ki-100): 37,729 ft. (11,500m)
Range (Ki-61): 990-1,100 Miles (1600-1800 km)
Range (Ki-100): 1,243 Miles (2000 km)

The KI-100's main advantage was the better reliability and MAINLY the availability of the Mitsubishi Ha-112 II radial engine which replaced the Kawasaki Ha-140 inline engine of the KI-61 - the production of which was destroyed by B-29 raids on the factory. (A problem not delt with here in AH2).   ;) Also, my sources say only 275 pre-built KI-61's were converted to the KI-100 standard.

The KI-100 was not a new built plane - but already built KI-61's that had the Ha-112-II radial engine fitted. It had all the structural problems inherant from the KI-61. Though it was slower, it did prove more manuverable and quicker to cimb as you stated.

MAIN QUESTION it is going to come down to, is do we need another late war Japanese plane when we got the N1K2 GEORGE & KI-84 FRANK or do we need another fighter for the mid to late period like the KI-44 TOJO.  Would like to have them all but you only get them one at a time.   :aok

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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2008, 09:11:46 AM »
MAIN QUESTION it is going to come down to, is do we need another late war Japanese plane when we got the N1K2 GEORGE & KI-84 FRANK or do we need another fighter for the mid to late period like the KI-44 TOJO.  Would like to have them all but you only get them one at a time.
No, particularly if it is a fighter.

Early war Japanese aircraft that would be nice to get would be the G4M2 'Betty', Ki-43-II 'Oscar' and Ki-45 'Nick'.

Mid war Japanese aircraft that would be nice to get are the Ki-44-II 'Tojo', B6N2 'Jill', D4Y 'Judy', J2M3a 'Jack' and H8K2 'Emily'.

The late war Japanese aircraft that would be nice to get are the B7A2 'Grace' and Ki-102 'Randy'.
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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2008, 02:01:17 PM »
The KI-100 wasn't that a great improvement over the KI-61 model we have now. Each had it's trade-offs - the KI-61 was faster but the KI-100 could climb better and had a higher ceiling.

I never claimed the Ki-100 was a new design. It was, however a surprisingly effective "Frankenstein" that the Japanese created wholly by accident when forced to substitute the Ha-112 II for the Ha-140. It's true the Ki-61 did had a slight speed advantage over the KI-100, but in the opinion of JAAF pilots it was the most maneuverable of all the late-war Army fighters. And according to your own data, the Ki-100 has a 50% higher initial climb rate (sustained climb rate for the Ki-100 being ~10% higher).

Perhaps most importantly from an AH perspective, it was extremely easy to fly the Ki-100 effectively. Maybe give us another "noob" ride to hate besides LA's? :)

I just threw out the Ki-100 for discussion because it was a rare bird, and one that a lot of guys had probably never heard of. If we're talking the most logical choice for the next Japanese addition, I say the Ki-45 Hei. :aok
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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2008, 05:50:45 PM »
No, particularly if it is a fighter.

Early war Japanese aircraft that would be nice to get would be the G4M2 'Betty', Ki-43-II 'Oscar' and Ki-45 'Nick'.

Mid war Japanese aircraft that would be nice to get are the Ki-44-II 'Tojo', B6N2 'Jill', D4Y 'Judy', J2M3a 'Jack' and H8K2 'Emily'.

The late war Japanese aircraft that would be nice to get are the B7A2 'Grace' and Ki-102 'Randy'.

I have to agree with Karnak - especially his Mid & Late War lists.

While the KI-45 NICK might be "Neat" to have - it performance and armament package isn't even up to par with the early model ME-110's. Got to remember it won't only be used in the AVA. While a few would use it I imagine it would be a regular Hangar Queen.

Others on Karnak's list would be a lot more useful and get more play.

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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2008, 12:01:37 AM »
Hey Cthulhu,

Maybe we should ask for this version of the Mitsubishi KI-46-III DINAH.



Two forward fireing 20mm cannons with a 37mm fireing in an Oblique configuration. Would give a new twist to 'Bomber Hunting."   ;)

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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2008, 03:31:38 AM »
Im ready for the Me410

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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2008, 10:30:04 AM »
Little bump.... hope never dies.

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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2008, 11:16:03 AM »
Keep it bumpin my friend :aok
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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2008, 12:01:16 PM »
A massive IJN/IJAAF update with new planes would be bad arse

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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2008, 12:29:07 PM »
Yes to more axis planes.... Including the HE-111. :D
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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2008, 12:42:13 PM »
I would never object to ANY plane being added to this game.

However, I would like to see the KI-84Ib variant added before any of these others.

Considering the vast array of variants we have on some of the other planes, I don't think it would be too much to ask.




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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2008, 04:16:21 PM »
Japanese have some cool paint jobs

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Re: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-45, Me-410
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2008, 04:51:35 PM »
Ki-45 BIG TIME


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