Author Topic: Oh my god the pony is awful! (Read 8701 times)

Lumpy · « **Reply #90 on:** February 24, 2008, 10:12:09 PM »

As for the RAF documents posted: By the summer of 1944 the RAF were running their Merlins at +25 boost producing almost 2000 hp. The USAAF never boosted their Merlins that much, and the in-game Ponies are limited to 100/130 avgas boost levels (+18 I believe).

The RAF documents are meaningless unless boost levels used also can be documented. A 2000 hp Mustang is a far superior machine, but alas, not one we have in the game.

Lumpy · « **Reply #91 on:** February 24, 2008, 10:13:44 PM »

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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Didn't the Tempest also have a laminar airfoil?

Lumpy:

- what was the hp of the 25lb boost Packard-Merlin?
- what was the hp of the 13lb boost Sabre?

I don't think the Tempest had a laminar flow wing. Not sure though.

The +25 Merlin made almost 2000 hp. However we don't have one of those in-game.

Widewing · « **Reply #92 on:** February 24, 2008, 10:24:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Lumpy
I don't think the Tempest had a laminar flow wing. Not sure though.

It did....

My regards,

Widewing

Karnak · « **Reply #93 on:** February 24, 2008, 10:29:26 PM »

What aircraft had laminar flow wings?

P-51
Tempest
Ki-84

What else?

MiloMorai · « **Reply #94 on:** February 24, 2008, 11:00:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Lumpy
As for the RAF documents posted: By the summer of 1944 the RAF were running their Merlins at +25 boost producing almost 2000 hp. The USAAF never boosted their Merlins that much, and the in-game Ponies are limited to 100/130 avgas boost levels (+18 I believe).

The RAF documents are meaningless unless boost levels used also can be documented. A 2000 hp Mustang is a far superior machine, but alas, not one we have in the game.

Sure the USAAF did when 150 fuel was used.

james · « **Reply #95 on:** February 24, 2008, 11:10:59 PM »

History channel and military channel call it the best fighter of the war as far as turning ability and overall performance. Just finished watching the historians get down and dirty about all these little ratios on the history channel. Seems like our version of the p-51d is really castrated. Not a pilot but for a plane to have so much praise and so much performance and yet it turns like a brick and for not very long before the E gets sucked out of it.... hmmm don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that our version is made of the same stuff a nerf football is.Don't hurt your heads crunching numbers. The benchmarks of the guys making these models is really off or using different information it seems. Cheers anyway and hope the planes (not just the p51D) get fixed at least a bit. See you guys in the MA.

James

Major Biggles · « **Reply #96 on:** February 24, 2008, 11:18:33 PM »

don't ever believe anything you see on the history channel...

the mustang was definitely not a good turner.

evenhaim · « **Reply #97 on:** February 24, 2008, 11:20:41 PM »

^^^^what she said.

it was no turner but it did have a tight radious at speed.

Larry · « **Reply #98 on:** February 24, 2008, 11:22:35 PM »

Saw that one show "Top 10 Fighters" said the P51 was the all time best fighter. Yea shows you what they know.

Lumpy · « **Reply #99 on:** February 24, 2008, 11:25:04 PM »

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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Sure the USAAF did when 150 fuel was used.

No they never approved +25 lbs. I believe they got up to little more than +22 lbs. But again, we don't have any of these boosts available in-game.

Lumpy · « **Reply #100 on:** February 24, 2008, 11:25:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Larry
Saw that one show "Top 10 Fighters" said the P51 was the all time best fighter. Yea shows you what they know.

Yeah I remember. The Me 262 wasn't even mentioned lol.

JimmyZ · « **Reply #101 on:** February 24, 2008, 11:28:26 PM »

James, You're talking about the channel that used stock footage of b24's when describing the Doolittle raid. Just because it's on TV doesn't mean it's true.

The flight models are done as accurately as possible from the historical documents on record at the time, from my understanding. If we find and present evidence other than what is used from reliable sources, then they consider those for future updates.

The P51 was designed for high altitude escort and fighter intercept, not knife fighting in a phone booth down on the deck, like we tend to do here. It does it's job pretty well when it's used properly. take it up above 20k, keep it fast and she shines. The guys who escort my bombers seem to like it.

Lumpy · « **Reply #102 on:** February 24, 2008, 11:29:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
It did....

My regards,

Widewing

Ok, strike my last remark then. The Tempest's better power and wing loading will have to stand on its own.

Widewing · « **Reply #103 on:** February 24, 2008, 11:35:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Lumpy
No they never approved +25 lbs. I believe they got up to little more than +22 lbs. But again, we don't have any of these boosts available in-game.

75" MAP was approved for the V-1650-7 in 8th AF service.

My regards,

Widewing

Lumpy · « **Reply #104 on:** February 25, 2008, 12:00:29 AM »

"Even though the USAAF had cleared the P-51 for 75" Hg., the Eighth Air Force chose 72" Hg as the P-51's War Emergency Rating."

"Those RAF Mustang units tasked with defending against the V-1 were modified to operated at +25 lbs./sq.in. - the equivalent of 80" Hg."

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mustang/mustangtest.html

And we still don't have any of these boosts available in the game.