Author Topic: This is What A Police State Looks Like  (Read 1282 times)

Offline Sundowner

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1005
This is What A Police State Looks Like
« on: February 17, 2008, 07:20:37 PM »
Any questions?
(caution:some objectionable language)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19347.htm

Regards,
Sun
Freedom implies risk. Less freedom implies more risk.

Offline Fishu

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3789
This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2008, 07:27:34 PM »
Why does she sound like she's high on weed?

Offline Yeager

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10167
This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2008, 07:38:00 PM »
I would be careful with that garbage sundowner.  You could end up upsetting a genuine American someday and with typical luck of a fool there wont be any police from your dreaded police state nearby to help you.

Just an observation  :rolleyes:
"If someone flips you the bird and you don't know it, does it still count?" - SLIMpkns

Offline lasersailor184

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8938
This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2008, 07:43:09 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Fishu
Why does she sound like she's high on weed?


She's trying to sound cool.  Instead she just comes off as a sweetheartbag.  I turned it off for this point alone.
Punishr - N.D.M. Back in the air.
8.) Lasersailor 73 "Will lead the impending revolution from his keyboard"

Offline Sundowner

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1005
This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2008, 07:43:17 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Yeager
I would be careful with that garbage sundowner.  You could end up upsetting a genuine American someday and with typical luck of a fool there wont be any police from your dreaded police state nearby to help you.

Just an observation  :rolleyes:


It's ok, bud.
I always believed God created man, Sam Colt made them equal.;)

Regards,
Sun
Freedom implies risk. Less freedom implies more risk.

Offline eagl

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6769
This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2008, 08:24:18 PM »
For those not willing to sit through a long propaganda flick...

It starts with showing and listening to the police target specific activists with the camera and arresting some guy apparently doing nothing at all.  He was previously identified as a “leader” figure, and right after the cop with the camera drives past him, he gets jumped by bike cops.  Then it shows video of the police very calmly discussing their tactical move to push protestors out of the area (Portland, 2002) with zero crowd incitement or actual rioting in progress.  The media consistently reported that the protesters were moved because of a single bottle thrown from the protesters, however the police-shot video seems to show that there was no precipitous action at the time the move was being planned and put into action.

The video is obviously propaganda, and throughout they try to draw parallels between the police actions and Hitler.  Although I think we’re a long way from Nazi Germany, it is extremely disturbing seeing the police gather intelligence on protesters and then calmly plan a street-clearing that was widely reported as if the cops cleared the street to stop a riot.  I distinctly remember watching the news about this incident and thinking that rioting protesters get what they deserve, but the police video clearly shows that there was no riot.

I encourage you to watch it all the way through, even though the obvious propaganda slant is over the top and the narrator sounds like she’s stoned.  It drags on as all really good sophomoric propaganda videos do, but the stuff at the end is fairly interesting as it is a stark contrast to what was reported in the popular media about the incident.

Interestingly, it brings up a question.  What should people do when the government targets people who you think are nuts, but who are otherwise harmless?  It does make me wonder if we are in the same position as someone in Germany before the govt started rounding up Jews, but after they started taking their names…  

Thank god for the Posse Comitatus act…   However the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 slightly re-writes the insurrection act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act)  to more easily allow the use of the military for police functions.  Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act) links to the text of the bill, pg 322-323 here: http://www.govtrack.us/data/us/bills.text/109/h/h5122.pdf.
Everyone I know, goes away, in the end.

Offline eagl

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6769
This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2008, 08:30:31 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Yeager
I would be careful with that garbage sundowner.  You could end up upsetting a genuine American someday and with typical luck of a fool there wont be any police from your dreaded police state nearby to help you.

Just an observation  :rolleyes:


The problem however, is that like all good propaganda flicks this one has a fairly disturbing element of truth.  I distinctly remember the media coverage of the 2002 incident, and the media made it sound like the cops broke up a violent riot.  The police video clearly shows a different story.  There simply wasn't a riot going on.  The street even looks completely clean, so frankly the report of a thrown bottle sounds like an utter fabrication.  At the time of the riot police movement action, as well as the time of the movement briefing, there is no sign that the crowd is anything but a 100% peaceful event.  There is no crowd unrest, and isn't even all that loud as you'd expect from a crowd getting ready to turn violent.  You can even hear the camera cop muttering to himself.

Again, it's an interesting propaganda flick.  I am very happy that Posse Comitatus and the Insurrection Act have not been significantly challenged or exercised, although the confiscation of guns after Katrina does have me a bit worried.  The next time a hurricane wipes out a city, will it be the Army rounding up people's guns?
Everyone I know, goes away, in the end.

Offline ramzey

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3223
Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 09:28:17 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Sundowner
Any questions?
 


yes,
you where blind folded last 5 years?

Offline Yeager

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10167
This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2008, 09:51:41 PM »
Check this vid out.  The police state in Berkeley is a little behind the times, apparently.

"Your being neutral in letting them violate the law.  Is that your function?  no,  it is not our function....were trying to remain neutral as possible"

What garbage.

I will take a well organized and well policed society any day over the objections of these morons.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d33_1202865405
"If someone flips you the bird and you don't know it, does it still count?" - SLIMpkns

Offline Fishu

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3789
This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2008, 10:10:52 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Yeager
I will take a well organized and well policed society any day over the objections of these morons.


That's what they all said prior to the change into the fascism.

Offline Sikboy

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6702
Re: This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2008, 10:25:47 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Sundowner
Any questions?


Yeah, did the R-tardress have a point to her very slowly delivered diatribe? She would do well to take a constitutional law class. Though I really doubt that's on her agenda, or in her budget.

-Sik
You: Blah Blah Blah
Me: Meh, whatever.

Offline Yeager

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10167
This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2008, 11:18:00 PM »
That's what they all said prior to the change into the fascism.
====
did "they all" have a 2nd amendment in a bill of rights amended to a constitution?

Go ahead, think on it some and get back to me :rolleyes:
"If someone flips you the bird and you don't know it, does it still count?" - SLIMpkns

Offline Fishu

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3789
This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2008, 11:26:06 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Yeager
did "they all" have a 2nd amendment in a bill of rights amended to a constitution?

Go ahead, think on it some and get back to me :rolleyes:


What good are the guns if the beholders do not object to the fascism? Fascism isn't simply about enslaving people, it's about the majority of people siding with their government of choice. It's all good for some time.

Offline lasersailor184

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8938
This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2008, 11:43:19 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Fishu
What good are the guns if the beholders do not object to the fascism? Fascism isn't simply about enslaving people, it's about the majority of people siding with their government of choice. It's all good for some time.


The second amendment says nothing about a Majority or it's intentions.
Punishr - N.D.M. Back in the air.
8.) Lasersailor 73 "Will lead the impending revolution from his keyboard"

Offline Fishu

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3789
This is What A Police State Looks Like
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2008, 12:23:59 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by lasersailor184
The second amendment says nothing about a Majority or it's intentions.


Good luck with your guerrilla war.