Hurricane IIC ENY Adjustment EW Arena

[Lusche]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
With the limited plane set in the arena, I don't believe it  needs to be perked. Frankly, if you want to perk something, the F6F in MW is a much more deserving candidate. It overdominates in an arena with a much less limited plane set.

Besides, if you take down the Hurri, it simply becomes the Zeke arena.

Urchin, the reason they chose the Hurri over the Zeke is simple...firepower. When they can't get a Hurri, they will chose a Zeke.

One thing to be considered is the Gurlicane's duel roll in the EW. It is a viable fighter and the cannons also make it, often, the best anti-gv option.

And that's the reasons I asked for an ENY adjustment instead of perking. Hurricane II is a good plane for the average player to stop the usual M3-M16 flood, with a few capping fighters thrown in. Also I'm a proponent of "perk as little as little as possible", I'd rather try to see if ENY adjustment is sufficient.

But I disagree on the Zero becoming dominating after that. Slow speed, weak firepower and fragile construction would prevent a similar dominating status.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by badhorse


BUT having been on the receiving end of the S.O.A.R. hoard in EW, I agree that tweaking the ENY of the Hurri would be a good thing.

SOARS are easy to counter...just up a plane from the base they are attacking and they'll scatter like cockroaches, tripping over each other trying to run away from the lone defender.

Or you can up a P-38G and just blow away Hurricane II's all day long.


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[Karnak]

I am continually suspicious of the Hurricane's flight modeling.

The Hurricane Mk IIc was seen as a ground attack aircraft by the RAF due to how badly it was outclassed by other fighters performancewise.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Urchin
Last plane that dominated an arena like that was the C-Hog.  

It is a little wierd, I would figure that with a population as skewed as that, planes like the A6M2 would see more use (just because they would dominate the Hurri-2C in a fight).

I guess it doesn't happen because almost nobody flies alone in those arenas, so the theoretical advantage of having a more manueverable plane is cancelled out by the fact that you probably won't kill the Hurri before the other Hurri kills you.

I think it's more of the Lemming Theory.  

Player X sees Play Y landing XXX kills in Hurricane II.  Player X sees 5 minutes later Player Z landing XXX kills in a Hurricane II.  Player X sees 3 minutes later Player V landing X kills in a Zeke.  Player X now thinks that since Player Y and Player Z landing so many kills in the Hurricane II, it must be uber so Player X now flies the Hurricane II along with 95% of the arena.


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[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Karnak
I am continually suspicious of the Hurricane's flight modeling.

The Hurricane Mk IIc was seen as a ground attack aircraft by the RAF due to how badly it was outclassed by other fighters performancewise.

Having flown in it and against it quite a bit since the arena split, it is far from the uber plane some would like to believe. It has great guns and good turn....the pluses, pretty much, end there. It is a lot like the zero, in that, you have to allow someone to kill you with one. The plane it can't out turn, it can out run. The planes it does out turn, can easily establish an E add versus it and then it becomes just another cold cut on the dinner table.

[Banshee7]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
SOARS are easy to counter...just up a plane from the base they are attacking and they'll scatter like cockroaches, tripping over each other trying to run away from the lone defender.

Or you can up a P-38G and just blow away Hurricane II's all day long.


ack-ack

I fly with S.O.A.R. in EW and MW...I've never seen them run from a fight...EVER

#S#

Banshee7

[MjTalon]

Originally posted by Banshee7
I fly with S.O.A.R. in EW and MW...I've never seen them run from a fight...EVER

#S#

Banshee7

, you sure? Not trying to downgrade SOAR, there a good friendly rook squad, but in EW.... meh .

[Karnak]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
Having flown in it and against it quite a bit since the arena split, it is far from the uber plane some would like to believe. It has great guns and good turn....the pluses, pretty much, end there. It is a lot like the zero, in that, you have to allow someone to kill you with one. The plane it can't out turn, it can out run. The planes it does out turn, can easily establish an E add versus it and then it becomes just another cold cut on the dinner table.

It responds very handily to the controls, easily out rolling the Spitfire and Bf109 despite having a 40ft wingspan.  It just seems to agile compared with historical accounts.

[badhorse]

Originally posted by MjTalon
, you sure? Not trying to downgrade SOAR, there a good friendly rook squad, but in EW.... meh .

I run into S.O.A.R. often in EW and I have never seen them as Rooks. I may have seen individual members fly as a Rook, but the S.O.A.R. hoard of EW base capture fame is Bish.

[Hazard69]

Originally posted by Lusche:
It's far worse in EW than MW IMHO. Bish have three "dedicated" EW squads that do not care if anybody is flying against them: SOAR, Dickweeb, Prowlers.

Strange. You'd think three squads would want to pick different countries in the same arena so they can have some decent fights.

Guess they weak at counting?

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Hazard69
Strange. You'd think three squads would want to pick different countries in the same arena so they can have some decent fights.

Guess they weak at counting?

There are decent fellows in each squad. But, as groups...their Kung Fu is very weak.

[Serenity]

Lower ENY for IIC in EW, raise it in LW. Hurri IIC is NOT a Late War ENY 10 plane. Not by a long shot. But yest, ENY of 5 in EW.

And on the S.O.A.R. subject. Sorry, Im known to 'milkrun' and 'perk farm' on strat targets, but these guys make me look like a thrill seaker. Ive never seen less than 4 S.O.A.R. in a single grid. It just doesnt happen. And while they might not run, who would? 4 v 1 is not a scary sight... unless youre the 1.

[DaftDog]

Who even goes on EW arenas now u cant score [prostitute]