What they say about AH

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by toonces3
I found it, here's a taste of what 'the other guys' are saying:

guy 1: i can watch a furball below me.. pick out a manuevering victim and time it so that when i get to within spitting distance he'll be directly in my crosshairs. that imo, is more usefull than being able to hit a target at insane angles.


guy 2: Rewarding isn't it? That's one of may favorite things to do, especially when flying a 190. Flying along up high, then you see that bright white/blue underside of a maneuvering Yak or an La...wait, watch, then roll in and dive when the time is right, level off just behind him at 890kph, give him a half second burst and annihilate him.

I love that.

Here's another I enjoyed; This is from their version of 'trainers' from what I gathered....:

When reversing you typically have the choice of five manoeuvers.

In order of altitude gain (and therefore airspeed/energy loss)

1 - Immelman - high energy loss
2 - Chandelle - moderate energy loss
3 - Horizontal turn - no energy loss
4 - Slice - moderate energy gain
5 - Split-s - high energy gain

The Immelman is only good when you are looking to gain as much altitude as possible during the reversal and the energy loss doesn't matter as you are 'in the clear'

Chandelle is good for unclear circumstances where you keep your airspeed high yet gain some altitude.

Horizontal turn is good for aircraft that are at high speed and in their 'rate turning' range - it allows them to maintain their altitude and airspeed while turning at their best rate.

Slice is good for when you find yourself low on energy and need to reverse while speeding up.

The Split-S is is good when you need to maximize acceleration and the altitude loss is irrelevant.

Before you make the choice of what reversal method to use, you need to take the tactical situation into account and in particular your current energy state. If you are under threat you do not want to use a method that results in energy loss.

This is from their version of 'trainers' from what I gathered....

this speaks volumes as to why BnZ is thought of as "the right way"  in that sim.......  no mention of Energy Management and potential / kinetic  energy states...  .......

but honestly  in regards to this Thread,

WGAS

If you have fun here, keep having fun, if you not having fun.either find a different approach, or find another game somewhere.....

WGAS

[sax]

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[crockett]

Originally posted by Krusty
You can't pull things from forums without dates.

Some of that is just sour grapes. For example, an f6f at 20k ignores a spit with higher E zooming up at him and he quits the game forever. Perhaps he doesn't understand how zoom climbs work. Or how acceleration works. A spit16 can catch a tempest and a 262 on the deck if it's faster than both, to start with, or if it dives on them, etc. Sour grapes mixed with ignorance.

[EDIT: Definitely sour grapes on the part of folks leaving the HTH scene and going to other games because they can't pay for a subscription]

Also, AH1 gunnery was really suspect. Ah2 gunnery is many many times better. How old are these posts talking about "bad gunnery"?



And on the other hand, certain communities cop certain attitudes about their own game. IL2 folks claim to have the best FM and get all defensive about it. TW folks claim to have the most accurate and most realistic sim ever, despite huge glaring game engine models which negate this very idea. On top of that TW goes out of its way to make even the simplist of things hard. It's nearly impossible to land some aircraft, and this is from a many-years, many-games veteran, I've never had trouble landing in any sim ever made up til trying TW. It's a highly flawed and artificially complicated system that's subpar to IL2 and WB in realistic flight, let alone AH2.

You may call me biased if you like. I've flown them all over different periods of time. There's a reason I'm still flying AH but not those other games.

I tried TW TT just for the hell of it. I had a hell of a time getting a spit off the ground. Yet a 190 was fairly easy. Was kind of strange IMO. Biggest problem with that game is it doesn't seem to show the true path of the aircraft.

If a plane was behind you it seems like it's on a popsicle stick flying through the air. That and all the planes I tried felt almost the same in the air, just  didn't seem to have a good FM.. IMO

[Wes14]

Panos, you know most if not all of the TW related comments you quoted is almost a year old.

[quote:- LOL, i had a bad night in AH, chasing a Spit in my F4F, my plane engine's RPM just drops like a rock. the manifold pressure was still up, i thought i somehow did my "blow up teh engine" stunt in TW in AH.]

Moot- Another guy who doesn't know wtf is going on (he dropped his RPMs somehow, or his RPM axis went out of calib.) and blames the game..

To me that quote sounds tainted with a bit of sarcasm, moot.

[moot]

Uh no... how do you drop RPM in AH without noticing it?  I've never heard of such a bug.  Like I said, it's more likely he pressed a keyboard shortcut for reduced RPM, or his RPM axis un-calibrated.
A lot of those quotes are just clueless people who don't really understand what happened, but talk about it as thought they've got some sort of definitive authority on what happened.

Immorebetter:
"On the Il2 boards, the exact opposite. BnZing is looked upon for being much safer and TnBing more riskier and foolish.[...]
In example:
In Il2, dropping flaps is an attempt, rather than the good tactic it is seen at AH."
That's because there's far less maneuverability at low speeds in Il2 than in AH.  You can't do half the furballing you do in AH once you drop past a certain speed in Il2's planes.. It's a bit like flying in B25Hs.

[crockett]

Originally posted by moot
Uh no... how do you drop RPM in AH without noticing it?  I've never heard of such a bug.  Like I said, it's more likely he pressed a keyboard shortcut for reduced RPM, or his RPM axis un-calibrated.
A lot of those quotes are just clueless people who don't really understand what happened, but talk about it as thought they've got some sort of definitive authority on what happened.

Immorebetter:
"On the Il2 boards, the exact opposite. BnZing is looked upon for being much safer and TnBing more riskier and foolish.[...]
In example:
In Il2, dropping flaps is an attempt, rather than the good tactic it is seen at AH."
That's because there's far less maneuverability at low speeds in Il2 than in AH.  You can't do half the furballing you do in AH once you drop past a certain speed in Il2's planes.. It's a bit like flying in B25Hs.

Speaking of RPM that's another thing I couldn't stand in TW.. When adjusting the throttle the engine noise didn't change much. So it was very annoying as it seemed to sound almost the same pitch at full or quarter throttle.

[CAP1]

here's my take on this.......i flew AW till somewhere around 98 or 99......then didn't do any flight simming till about a year and a half ago........to me AH had a very steep learning curve(probably because in AW, i spent all of my time foolishly in the RR arenas). i've never flown IL2, and probably never will.

 HiTech has an almost impossible job.........that is to please all the people all the time. even HE can't do this. it's impossible. there's ALWAYS going to be someone who's unhappy with this or that. there's alWAYS going to be someone who says this is wrong, or that is wrong, or that shouldn't be possible. well...in my humble opinion, AH2 is the best sim there is. i get to come in here, and fly a WW2 fighter of my choice...and if i die, i get to come back and try again. i get to fight others, and if i'm lucky, i get to shoot them down. i get to make friends in here,.......and enemys........when i come into the arenas, i get to leave the headaches and tension of my real life behind....even if it's only for an hour. when i drop into a furball, i get to ride a virtual roller coaster. has any of you ever paid attention to how you feel after about 2 minutes(asuming you live that long) in a big furball? notice your heart's still going about 300mph? THAT and all of the above is what makes this sim worth every single penny.  
 there's always going to be some that say these same things about IL2.....and they're entitled to their opinions.....and they're entitled to expressing them just as we are......just as we feel that they're wrong, they feel the same......like i said i've never flown it, and won't..........so this is my virtual pilot home........and allof you that've become friends(you know who you are).

<>all, and just keep having your fun, regardless of which sim you choose to fly........

[trotter]

how is there "no energy loss" in a horizontal turn??? what kind of FM are they using?

[Krusty]

The IL2 one. 'Nuff said.

[moot]

Originally posted by Wes14
To me that quote sounds tainted with a bit of sarcasm, moot.

Oops.. You meant the other guy..