Who says Illegals are needed????

[DiabloTX]

This just in from the higher-ups.  From now on the word 'illegal' will no longer be 'illegal' but 'uninvited'.  Seems that the higher-ups are concerned that the word has no more meaning and has become obsolete and meaningless to a certain political party.  So, from now on the term 'uninvited' will be used instead of 'illegal' in any newscast, editorial, documentary, or anytime you need to use the term in regards to someone or some people who came here illegally...err, uninvited.

[Tango]

Originally posted by culero
Tango, I'd say that this incident shows we don't need reckless drivers who run stop signs. I'm just as much against citizens who do that as I am illegals that do.

IMO you are adding 2 + 2 and saying it = 5.

The point I'm making if the current laws were being enforced those kids would still be alive. I hope she gets the max penalty in prison for what she did, but the Mexican government will probably come in and get her out.

[justguess]

why would the mexican gov't do that?  how would it be able to accomplish that?

[Tango]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Nice try, straw man.  Every time they've raided a factory and cleaned out illegals, the local population had plenty of people to fill the job vacancies.
There were plenty of people for these jobs before the illegals came, and there is plenty of people for these jobs now.

My brother [hes an ICE agent] was involved in a raid on a chicken processing plant in Arkansas a couple of years ago. They rounded up several dozen illegals and as they were taking them out of the plant the American workers started cheering. The reason why? They said they were severly underpaid and anytime they asked for a raise the management would simply tell them if they didn't like it they would replace them with more mexicans.

[Tango]

Originally posted by justguess
why would the mexican gov't do that?  how would it be able to accomplish that?

The Mexican gov always gets involved when one of thier citizens makes the national news. It gives "illegals" a bad name.

[Irwink!]

Originally posted by Tango
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331989,00.html

I'd like to know who says we need them. Four kids lost thier lives to another criminal that snuck across the border.

An idiot, legal or not, from anywhere can be responsible for this type of tragedy.

As to the other question, who says we need them? Corrupt politicians (Democrat and Republican) serving the interests of the special interest masters who own them, business owners who want cheap labor and plain citizens who feel sorry for them and listen to the propaganda from the preceeding two groups and their proxies.

It's an overused myth that illegal immigrants take only the jobs that citizens won't do. When the demand for workers exceeds the supply wages for that particular workforce rise. Businesses that employ illegals simply want to circumvent that. Illegals are much easier to underpay and abuse than any other group.

We've had legal immigrant workers in this country for decades. Why is it that employing legal immigrants no longer works?

[Speed55]

I have no remorse for any illegal immigrant here, that gets the boot.

But since we're talking about mexicans, i don't understand why people defend them.  To say, we'll yeah they are here illegally, but they work hard, is like saying, well yeah he's a murderer but he works hard.  

Bottom line is that they don't belong here. No spins, or twisting of words. It's against the law for them to be in this country.
If we got rid of all of them, like we're supposed to, then the whole idea of "i'd rather have them then some americans" wouldn't even be an option.


On a side note,  if any of you have young adult children that are thinking of going down there to party or whatever, send them this link.

http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=5733

[john9001]

Originally posted by vorticon
labours a lot cheaper than a machine

not true.

 


also,everyone failed to mention she was sober.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by crockett
How many Americans are going to pick fruit all day in the sun for even $10/ hour?  

Thousands upon thousands upon thousands.
I know it`s unheard of these days with the young, but there is nothing wrong with actually working for a living.

[jimson]

Originally posted by DiabloTX
This just in from the higher-ups.  From now on the word 'illegal' will no longer be 'illegal' but 'uninvited'.  Seems that the higher-ups are concerned that the word has no more meaning and has become obsolete and meaningless to a certain political party.  So, from now on the term 'uninvited' will be used instead of 'illegal' in any newscast, editorial, documentary, or anytime you need to use the term in regards to someone or some people who came here illegally...err, uninvited.

Actually the term is "undocumented migrants"

That will probably be replaced by "super terrific guests"

[cav58d]

If you have the time, watch these links from Penn and Teller's Bullchit.  Always liked this episode.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=r9ffO9mLlEo

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UnBN0trSE3c&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8y13DzxfrjY&feature=related

[Castedo]

Originally posted by Tango
So, we need them just because you say I'm an idiot?

Guess that means we don't need them since all they do is commit crimes. Those 4 kids lost there lives because of people that think we need them here and refuse to do anything to stop them.

The point is; it was an acident, the fact that had documents, was ilegal, was born somewhere is a detail.  The kind of cause effect you made is of an idiot.

[culero]

Originally posted by Tango
My brother [hes an ICE agent] was involved in a raid on a chicken processing plant in Arkansas a couple of years ago. They rounded up several dozen illegals and as they were taking them out of the plant the American workers started cheering. The reason why? They said they were severly underpaid and anytime they asked for a raise the management would simply tell them if they didn't like it they would replace them with more mexicans.

And now we get to the real evil involved - US citizens who knowingly employ illegals.

Everyone can probably tell from the tone of my posts that I sympathize with Mexican laborers. That's because I live on the border, where Mexico is as much a part of my local community as is Texas. Mexicans to me aren't, as they are for most of you, a group of brown boogeymen who are here to steal our jobs. They are decent hard-working folks who befriend me when I visit their country, and who come here to earn a living for their families. They are neighbors that I like and want in my community.

OTOH I want them to be here legally as much as anyone else that posts here. I am against them being here illegally. Read the last paragraph, and then read this again. I don't want illegals here.

Example: I hire/fire people and contract services for the company I work for (I'm responsible for about 150 people). I just turned a really nice guy down yesterday because he doesn't have documentation - i.e., he's illegal. I'd really like to contract him, he's just what I need for the area I'm trying to fill. I was ready, already had a contract filled out. But, when he couldn't produce a Social Security card or a Federal taxpayer ID, I ran his bellybutton off.

Here's the thing - I do the right thing. If every employer did, we wouldn't have the illegals here. They'd go home.

Tango, you say the kids would be alive if this illegal wasn't here. You're right.

But, here's what I want you to see - those kids are dead because a reckless driver killed them. Citizens are as likely to be reckless drivers as illegals.

The point is, this reckless driver was here because a citizen, a legal member of the dead kids' community, hires illegal immigrants and one of them was a reckless driver.

Myself, I resent my fellow citizen more for his part in this than some poor working person who's trying to scratch out a living. This citizen is shirking their civic responsibility in order to enrich themselves. The illegals should be sent home, yes, but the citizen who hires them should be castrated. IMHnsO.

[crockett]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
I understand.  Beyond insults, you have absolutely no point whatsoever.

So what was the "straw man" comment about that wasn't an insualt?

Truth is politicians don't give a crap about illegals and they never will.. They know the truth that business in this country depends on them.

They will give you lip service about how they are tough on illegal immigration all day long.. However at the end of the day what do they ever actually do? Why do you think that is? Could it be they know our economy depends on cheap products?

The illegal immigration problem is simple "if" they wanted to do something about it. You start charging businesses whom hire illegals $5k to $10k fines for every illegal they get caught hiring.. Well then things would change real fast.

[Speed55]

Originally posted by Castedo
The point is; it was an acident, the fact that had documents, was ilegal, was born somewhere is a detail.  The kind of cause effect you made is of an idiot.

I think your missing the point Castedo.  The POINT is that she was here illegally.  If she was not here there would be no accident.

Was it an accident that she snuck across the border illegally?
Was it an accident that she  aquired papers to create an alias?

In this sad story, the fact is that an illegal mexican was responsible for the death of 4 American citizens.  


To call someone an idiot for stating the facts, because you somehow want the facts to be different is wrong.

Truth is politicians don't give a crap about illegals and they never will.. They know the truth that business in this country depends on them.

Have you spoken to, or looked up the voting records of every single politician in every single state, in every single city in the country? Who's truth are you speaking of.  
Have you written any letters to your states representatives to ask what they're doing about it? After all they are supposed to represent you, aren't they?
So from my perspective, what you're saying  is your opinion, and that's it.

There are a couple of states that are holding business owners responsible, and in those states, the illegal immigrant problem has haulted. Look it up.