Author Topic: When Plane burns (Read 1479 times)

Motherland · « **Reply #15 on:** February 25, 2008, 04:31:07 PM »

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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
Correct me if im wrong, but fire has a very bad effect on the surfices of a plane, something about how the air/fire mix and you get more drag and less lift .ect

So a plane with a left wing on fire, might kick to the left, and rip its nose left/down and spin down.

if memory serves.

Yeah... I'm pretty sure fire would have to have some sort of aerodynamic affect on a wing. Since hotter air is less dense, the area that is flaming would be producing much less lift, I'd think. I'm not an expert on this kind of stuff though.

DaftDog · « **Reply #16 on:** February 25, 2008, 04:39:11 PM »

This is why a flaming zero is not to be ingnored.

Yeah, you would definately loose control of your plane.

Emu · « **Reply #17 on:** February 25, 2008, 05:18:20 PM »

I agree. Furballs with one or more Zero roman candles going round and round for ages dogfighting in exactly the same way as they would as if there was no fire is completely laughable. If the plane was melting all around me, I doubt I could have enough concentration to keep it level, let alone fly around and dogfight.

Krusty · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2008, 05:21:28 PM »

Many planes have caught fire without spinning out of control. There are many instances where the plane was perfectly controllable.

There are cases where a fast dive would put the fire out, and cases where crew on a bomber would pull off dangerous stunts to put the fire out.

Keep in mind you're thinking of a stationary fire. On a wing that is moving through the air at over 100mph the fire would be more like a blowtorch, burning hot and bright and sharp, not billowy and smoky. Any disrupted air would be behind the wing as it is still moving forward into "fresh" air.

BaDkaRmA158Th · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2008, 05:52:24 PM »

No, i know exactly what it would look like, and what im thinkin'..you sumed it up perfectly tho.

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..the air at over 100mph the fire would be more like a blowtorch, burning hot and bright and sharp..

Sorry to hack up your quote, but thats the most important part right there.

I wounder how many planes/bombers tryed the high speed dive, only to have the weaker wing/body crumple or fold under the pressure of combat damage and melted steel.

Willing to bet, for every one that survived..nine didn't.

Also remember in most cases those fires are engine fuel line fires, once fuel is cut, most bomber/plane steel wont keep burning.hence the dive to put the remaining fire out, if its a fuel tank, or something flamable liquid, that cannot be shut off, all bets are off.

angelsandair · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2008, 11:59:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I want fire to melt the wires to your trigger button. That is, you can no longer fire fixed guns when on fire. Bombers can drop bombs if only to pickle them -- but I say this only because I'd like fire to do more than it does.

I want a fire to destroy things around it. If it's in a wing tank, I want it to disable the guns in that wing, destroy the gear in that wing, destroy the flaps, destroy the oil cooler (if spit/109 type of wing oil cooler).

I want it to do this gradually. THEN finally the wing pops off. So, instead of this "long wait then BOOM" I want "you can't fight and keep losing stuff every 15 seconds" -- this gives you a chance to go and set 'er down or RTB and get down in time if possible. However you still lose that part if you wait too long.

Here's the fun part: If it's a fuselage fire, I want it to be able to set bomber bombs on fire! It could be one of the parts that get "damaged" -- and the bomber has to pickle all the bombs before they blow.

Center parts that could get burn up include other fuel tanks, nose gear, radiators/coolers (depending on plane type and location of fire), and on single engined fighters: the PILOT will get wounded (just as shot) if the fire continues too long.

The overall time to death would extend, but the fight would be over instantly and it would be a race to survival.

THAT is what I want to see with fires!

EDIT: As the parts "go" you could just hear the "loud bang" noise in AH already and the part goes red on the damage list -- it's a very simple thing to include IMO, don't need to add any graphics!

Well, the real only 2 complaints i have are with the Zekes and with the B-24s. If a zeke is on fire, its still flyin for another 5 minutes, it could result in that player landing kills OR shooting another 2 or 3 friendlies. I like the idea of when it's on fire, after a certain amount of time, it loses it's ability to fire it's guns and the pilot starts getting wounds. Then you cant fire and you die. My other complaint with the B-24 is how tough they are. It's almost completely inaccurate. If a B-24's #3 engine got shot out, it lost all hydraulic pressure and would go down. As i recall, if it lost its #4 or #2 engint (dont remember) it lost all power and could result in it going down. But then again, if they put that in effect, people would only aim at the #3 engine.

Krusty · « **Reply #21 on:** February 26, 2008, 01:02:32 AM »

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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
Willing to bet, for every one that survived..nine didn't.

Doubt it.

For the same reason you can put out an oil rig fire with a concussive blast, you can put out a fire by smothering it (making a high speed dive). When I was talking about blowtorch I was talking normal speeds, not excessive high speed dives.

I don't suppose you ever played with candles as a kid? Have lit a campfire all by yourself (no match/lighter)?

If you get too much fuel (air) over a flame it actually gets weaker until it dies. It only burns brightest at a certain mixture of conditions. A fire in an airplane will most likely be hottest at slower speed bands. That's a guess from fireplace lighting, candle lighting, ember lighting, and other experiences, as well as having seen several things regarding firefighting.

OOZ662 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 26, 2008, 02:36:50 AM »

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The reason we have fire is just or added effect, anyways. It wasn't always there.

I myself don't remember when there weren't fires in AH, albeit the two-perpendicularly-bisecting-2D-"fire"-plates-that-smoke super duper effect in AH1, like the old bunker burn effect.

skyctpn · « **Reply #23 on:** February 26, 2008, 06:18:29 AM »

This has been requested before please use the search function.

straffo · « **Reply #24 on:** February 26, 2008, 06:39:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I want fire to melt the wires to your trigger button. That is, you can no longer fire fixed guns when on fire. Bombers can drop bombs if only to pickle them -- but I say this only because I'd like fire to do more than it does.

except if the pilot is superman I think IRL the pilot is dead long before the trigger button melt

Denholm · « **Reply #25 on:** February 26, 2008, 09:35:41 AM »

He's not talking about the trigger button melting. He's talking about the wires that send the "FIRE!" signal to the guns.

ridley1 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 26, 2008, 09:52:43 AM »

...I should be able to hear the pilot screaming when he's in con range

Denholm · « **Reply #27 on:** February 26, 2008, 10:00:15 AM »

You sure?

http://www.simtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=9fc102edd9dbdb6a2891&page=1&viewtype=&category=mr

Krusty · « **Reply #28 on:** February 26, 2008, 10:24:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Denholm
You sure?

http://www.simtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=9fc102edd9dbdb6a2891&page=1&viewtype=&category=mr

I can only roll my eyes and assure you that the game those clips are based on is far from historically accurate.

ridley1 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 26, 2008, 11:10:35 AM »

If you're planes on fire...you got X amount of time to put it out by (diving or whatever) then boom. You shouldn't have roman candles making two circuits of an airfield