Author Topic: Night Time Arena (Read 5097 times)

Acidreign · « **Reply #60 on:** February 27, 2008, 06:30:39 AM »

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Originally posted by SWrokit
U mean there's no one that can remember the rain squalls. OMG, u'd be flying the next thing u know your in the middle of a rain storm, no vis

As an LTAR, the gv battles at night were great.........u could hear, but couldn't see (black out){until it was too late }.

Like I said earlier, total black out the way it was, no I'm not much for. But even if that ment the moon was up all the time, giving a little light Pizza map at night was the bomb (AH I days)

I have seen mentions of weather before, rain, snow, etc. I think this may be a nifty idea, great for de-acking fields too i bet!

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K-KEN · « **Reply #61 on:** February 27, 2008, 08:35:21 AM »

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Originally posted by MORAY37
Ummmm...
Just to point out...
Very few aircraft, percentage wise, flew at night in WW2. (Read..no spits, la7's, 51's, N1K's... or pretty much any other single engine fighter of the war.)

As well,

In retrospect, very few AH'rs flew at night when we had it. It was said before that 90% would log off when night came...(not good for business) Those that did fly at night... just did it to sneak around and take bases they couldn't take before... (BS)

Don't bother with night... most really need to learn how to fly during the day anyway.

Sorry you feel so negative, but you know what....? My proposal allows to to do "your thing" and allows me and the night people to do "our thing". Would you play if all you could fly was say, a C202? Sorry, it's 4PM, Tuesday or anytime or day, and all ya get is a C202. Not everyone would log off, actually, you would think most would stay. But then there are the avid Buff drivers, GV'ers that would pitch a fit and whine and cry, like they do now about the ENY.

All I am saying, make it another Arena selection on the list...a unique arena.
Then if ya don't like it...don't log into it! You still have all of your options available and you can do "your" thing. Just let me and others like me have that choice too.

I am going to quote someone that made a very profound statement, IMO

"I think the clashes in any sim are the arcade types against the realism types. The difference between a gamer and a simmer and the mindset that goes with it. IMO the simmer being the more mature of the two."

That pretty much draws the line in the sand, don't you agree? You a gamer or a simmer? Nevermind, if you adjust your gamma....gamer.

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K-KEN · « **Reply #62 on:** February 27, 2008, 08:43:34 AM »

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Originally posted by FT_Animal
>IMO<

A existing community will have home for most.
A functioning community will have a home for everyone.
A thriving community will have inhabitants who allow others to have theirs too.

I think all parts of realism should be available somewhere, even if not all in one place.

An arena that rotates through daily environment settings could throw a bone to everyone at least one day a week. Like every Tuesday have 4-6 hour day-night cycles. A really bad weather day, A no perks needed day, a no dweebs allowed day etc... Leaving the rest of the arenas as they are. If you don't want day\night cycles in your arena, but still have a hankerin to have it back now and then,... you know that you can do it every Tuesday and get that monkey off your back. I think it would pacify many and also save on Kleenex productions. However the fact that some will death grip a persona that refuses to be pleased can get in the way of progress, now and then.

But then I'm a distant reborn newbie too. I could be missing a LOT Please use soft mallets. Last time I flew trees were flat, I crashed a lot, and some meanies shot me down, laughed at me, and called me poopy-butt,... more then once! It,.. it was horrifying and I think it emotionally damaged me. My machine just wasn't fast enough to dazzle them with my pure brilliance. So I stumbled and crawled into the sunset to heal. I could have died ya know.

I finally have a machine that will pull the train . And I want you all to know right now. I have compiled over the years away my all time favorite oldie-moldy aimless rants, blame shifting theatrics, and self-serving excuses all pre-canned, ready, and waiting. As soon as the scars are healed and I start winning in off-line mode I'll be in here looking for yall. Targeting yus whiners first.

In case some of you forgot, let me remind you,... it's all about >"ME"<.

Seriously, Me thinks an arena that rotates environments or realisms would give something to everyone every now and then without tampering with the norm.

It may or may not be my #1 choice, but I would like the *option* to fly a day\night cycle (online) once in while.

Animl (of the IknownotwhatIsay tribe)

uhhh well said....

Good take on this idea. It could also be an arena to use for testing and such, well maybe, as I think the folks would be more open-minded about change. (speaking for >ME< ) That can be a double-edged sword though.

Hope to see you touching down on a runway soon!

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K-KEN · « **Reply #63 on:** February 27, 2008, 08:55:21 AM »

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Originally posted by moot
One of the things that worsened the night "problem" was that AH time skips dusk through dawn as well as was running at 1:1 pace, which made AH time out of sync with real time; which made it unpredictable unless you had good memory and could do operations in your head very easily - to find out whether it was night in the MA without logging in to see for sure.

And even if you knew whether it was night time, it meant that you had a not negligible chance that AH night time coincided with your free time to play the game.

Now that we have two LW arenas, it could be possible to enable night in one or both arenas, so arranged that there was the least chance possible for any player to find night in both arenas, whether at the same time or one after the other. So the best arrangement would probably be to have both arenas rigged to always be 12 hours apart.

While I like that idea, I still think we don't need to be restrictive in the current arena setup. Most Squad nights for us Cutthroats, there are 2 or 3 Late War Arenas. Since we start at 10PM EST, the first arena is usually closed and the second is usually filling fast. Having them 12 hours apart would cause pain in the scheme of things, IMO, and would give the nay-sayers fuel. I do not want them to have a voice or something to even complain about, if they don't like it, they shouldn't log in...and therefore, they have a "usual" place to go do their thing.

For Scenario players, it was kinda cool in Pearl (I think it was Pearl), years ago, sitting on the Japanese CV at night..........then taking off just before dawn. Might have been Okinawa?? I was on TBM dooty then. Still, launching off a cv at night....nuttin' like it!

Thanks for your ideas.

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K-KEN · « **Reply #64 on:** February 27, 2008, 09:10:10 AM »

One thing I am uncertain about is how a new arena is "created". Is it part of a server farm-a server dedicated to just that arena? Is it a share on a server farm, or server, set with load balancing and all?

Other questions too, if this was considered, how much effort would it take for stats? (If it was a "Late" Arena, then those stats would just filter thru like on the multiple "Late" arenas) May not be an issue. I don't think there needs to be "Night Stats". Basically, just keeping it simple.

I know HTC has someone monitoring these threads and would like to know what would be required. Maybe it would be cost prohibitive. I would like to know, even if it was a PM.

Decided to EDIT here....adding a visual that might help convince folks what I am asking for.

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NoBaddy · « **Reply #65 on:** February 27, 2008, 02:00:07 PM »

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Originally posted by K-KEN

I think your "199/200" in the graphic is a tad over optimistic.

Realistically, I doubt the numbers for such an arena would be as good as those of MW currently.

A new arena really isn't that tough to add.

K-KEN · « **Reply #66 on:** February 27, 2008, 02:15:23 PM »

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Originally posted by NoBaddy
I think your "199/200" in the graphic is a tad over optimistic. Realistically, I doubt the numbers for such an arena would be as good as those of MW currently.

A new arena really isn't that tough to add.

I didn't want anyone to "think" it would completely fill up the first time!

Glad you saw that.

FYI, I emailed HTC with that image and a brief explanation of this idea. It's not the normal "bring back the night" idea. I think I have a new slant that would be doable and would have no effect on the players who don't like it.

On the plus side, if HTC added the new arena, it would most likely shut us Night Time folks up for a while...maybe a long while!

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dedalos · « **Reply #67 on:** February 27, 2008, 03:19:45 PM »

I hear the AvA is all about realism and history. How about they make it night there at night, for 8 hours? Both real and historical, no?

K-KEN · « **Reply #68 on:** February 27, 2008, 04:24:51 PM »

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Originally posted by dedalos
I hear the AvA is all about realism and history. How about they make it night there at night, for 8 hours? Both real and historical, no?

Well, good idea but it's the same issue as the MA or other arenas. Don't want to infringe on anyones space or time to fly. Also, I think that arena is usually moderated by someone because they use specific plane sets, settings and all. It has to be set up for each event, like a mini scenario.
I haven't flown there in a while, but it is "close" to the kinda of setup this would need.

This must be a stand-alone entity to make it work. Once set, then it would just be a normal maintenance issue.

Thanks for the idea. You are on the right track, IMO

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Gixer · « **Reply #69 on:** February 27, 2008, 04:32:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Solar10
While people can crank up gamma there will be no night.

Exactly, people use to whine long and hard about night time when it was around. Can't see why HT would re-introduce it in any form.

~~...-Gixer~~

K-KEN · « **Reply #70 on:** February 27, 2008, 05:23:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Gixer
Exactly, people use to whine long and hard about night time when it was around. Can't see why HT would re-introduce it in any form.

~~...-Gixer~~

I am impressed...you read all the way to the 2nd post .... the first reply, and made your decision.

I guess you really haven't the time to read a few others. That's cool. Looks like Hillary might lose too. Hate it for you.

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Emu · « **Reply #71 on:** February 27, 2008, 05:43:14 PM »

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Originally posted by SWrokit
Oh well....may as well take hook line and sinker

Ken there was no mention of why HTC "Can't" do it. As a matter of fact the last sentence of my post specifically stated "A dedicated arena wouldn't be bad......".

I also implied what the whines are now, regarding rams, and forecast with a Night Time arena the cry babies will grow ten fold (again). Hell why do you think we lost it to begin with, the cry babies and their soiled diapers.

I understand there are GV'ers that game the game by turning their graphics down......some because their rigs just won't handle the graphics, some because they game the game. Why should HTC go through the trouble of creating an arena where most players will defeat the night time by adjusting their Gamma settings, thus turning it back into day? They did it then (hell I did it then), they'll do it in the future.

Hence my comment "What's the point". I'm all for a "Semi-night" arena. However, until there's a way to eliminate the Gamma Adjustment................Wha t's the point".

(removes hook from lip)

I dont understand your logic. Because some people will game the game, then better to have no game at all? What you are saying is not true only for a night arena, but GV battles, and any other arena. We have people spoiling game play in the MA as it is. HOs, bomb and parachute, spies, etc. You will always have people behaving in a less than honorable way, but that is true for everything in life. You just hope there will be enough good people around you to make it worthwhile. I would love to have a Night Arena. I can choose whether to play there or not, and deal with the "consequences".

Thanks for bringing this topic to this forum K-KEN.

MORAY37 · « **Reply #72 on:** February 27, 2008, 05:56:00 PM »

OK.. I'll say it. It's a stupid idea and it didn't work the first time. It won't work this time, past the first day when everyone checks it out.. then logs off and flies another arena.

Score potatos want night so they can go about butt banging every base in the closet, and have zero chance of getting caught.

As well... single engine fighters did not fly at night. (Only one, the 190 A6/R11 was tried for nightfighting, only on moonlit nights, and suffered horribly to operational losses not resulting from combat.)

Only twin engine or higher, specially modified planes even FLEW at night, let alone performed any combat, in ww2.

As for bad weather flying... NOTHING flew in bad weather in WW2. Why do you think the germans attacked when they did at the Battle of the Bulge (1944).....THE WEATHER PREVENTED ANY AIR OPS, COMBAT OR RESUPPLY.

Please feel free to read up and form opinions and wishes based in fact.

Gixer · « **Reply #73 on:** February 27, 2008, 06:14:24 PM »

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Originally posted by K-KEN
I am impressed...you read all the way to the 2nd post .... the first reply, and made your decision.

I guess you really haven't the time to read a few others. That's cool. Looks like Hillary might lose too. Hate it for you.

K-KEN
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Actually I read all of them and replied to that one. And this is such a dead horse of a subject but like Subs it seems to come up every few months.

Hillary whats that got to do with the price of fish?

~~...-Gixer~~

K-KEN · « **Reply #74 on:** February 27, 2008, 06:27:01 PM »

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Originally posted by MORAY37
OK.. I'll say it. It's a stupid idea and it didn't work the first time. It won't work this time, past the first day when everyone checks it out.. then logs off and flies another arena.

Score potatos want night so they can go about butt banging every base in the closet, and have zero chance of getting caught.

As well... single engine fighters did not fly at night. (Only one, the 190 A6/R11 was tried for nightfighting, only on moonlit nights, and suffered horribly to operational losses not resulting from combat.)

Only twin engine or higher, specially modified planes even FLEW at night, let alone performed any combat, in ww2.

As for bad weather flying... NOTHING flew in bad weather in WW2. Why do you think the germans attacked when they did at the Battle of the Bulge (1944).....THE WEATHER PREVENTED ANY AIR OPS, COMBAT OR RESUPPLY.

Please feel free to read up and form opinions and wishes based in fact.

There is nothing here for you to see...keep moving.

You repeat the same negative feelings, .... noted. You don't "have" to log into this arena. PLEASE. You will just go away with a bad taste in your mouth. Stay in the arenas you are talking about and prevent those horrible score potatos from playing while you are at it. Apparently it is making you "uncomfortable" playing there as well. I don't want to be the one to tell them the score potato police are looking at their every move, and that your $15 is more important than theirs.

I give you credit for having some knowledge of historical events in WWII. It doesn't mean that no one flew at night. Bombers did...I believe there was a Mossie that had radar that chased down bombers at night too. Ground vehicles operated 24/7 as did PT boats, carriers, and ......

That said, I asked for the new arena first. Get your own post and ask for whatever it is that you think we need for you. I may even support your idea.

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