boroda.. your take..

[Boroda]

Originally posted by kamilyun
Need to be careful there...the power of a thermonuclear weapon might be less than a Krakatau explosion, but I bet that adding ALL of them together approaches, if not exceeds it.

Plus, the real danger is not the explosion...but all the Strontium (and other nuclei) running around in the atmosphere.  

Thermonuclear weapons are quite ecologically-clean.

Did you hear anything about "nuclear winter"?

Originally posted by kamilyun
I could see that Russian scientists could be biased in the completely opposite manner of Western or US scientists.  Whereas we get money to investigate climate change, the Russian agenda might be pro-development, anti-Kyoto.

Nothing wrong with that...but still a 'motivation'.

We just don't care.

IMHO MMGW is just another toll to stop development of industrial (not post-industrial) countries.

hmmm I wonder is Russian Federation an industrial country or not?... With all our decay and "destroyka". Siberian oil-fields could be developed only by a huge corporation like USSR, current "owners' don't invest into development, they just burn 50 years of national effort... /*I hope you understand what I mean*/

[DYNAMITE]

Originally posted by lazs2
I don't know..  I am wondering just what kind of scientist I would look to when it comes to solar activity..  it would seem that an astronomer would be the way to go.

I am wondering how russia would gain by any conclusion, one way or the other, that they came up with on man made global warming.  

Perhaps curval knows?

lazs

I don't know about curval... but imho, Russia gains from claiming MMGW doesn't exist because Russia is now one of the largest suppliers of fossil fuels in the world (both oil, and natural gas).  If people in  europe (their biggest clients) start seeking alternative energy sources, Russia loses out not only financially but politically too.  Right now, Russia's ability to shut off the gas to most of eastern europe, and parts of western europe means that they are a force to be reckoned with.

Just my $.02

[trax1]

Originally posted by Boroda
Look, Stalin understood that science is necessary

Isn't Stalin the same guy who threw alot of his scientists in jail?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by DYNAMITE
I don't know about curval... but imho, Russia gains from claiming MMGW doesn't exist because Russia is now one of the largest suppliers of fossil fuels in the world (both oil, and natural gas).  If people in  europe (their biggest clients) start seeking alternative energy sources, Russia loses out not only financially but politically too.  Right now, Russia's ability to shut off the gas to most of eastern europe, and parts of western europe means that they are a force to be reckoned with.

Just my $.02

Fossil "fuel" is not only fuel. Natural carbohydrates should be used in chemical industry. We burn oil - and it's like heating your fireplace with $100 bills.

Look, it's Capitalism, demand and offer. We can burn Western Europe and North America into ashes in a matter of minutes, but we prefer to sell gas and oil.

Alternative energy sources? Electricity used to produce aluminum for wind-generators is much more then they can give in their lifetime. Roof-top water heaters are the only good natural alternative energy supply. And they work only if you live in a god-blessed place where temperature never drops below freezing.

Thermonuclear reactor is the only choice, but Tokamak-15 and other projects were deliberately killed.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by trax1
Isn't Stalin the same guy who threw alot of his scientists in jail?

Sure I have seen this jail.

I work in Semenov's institute. Next door to Physical Problems Institute, Peter Kapitsa, both - Nobel Prize winners. Kapitsa was "exiled" by Evil Stalin (tm). I wish I could be exiled to live in a park in a center of Moscow...

We have our technological hot-spot in Kapitsa's lab. It's freaking awesome. Jail my ass!...

[Russian]

Originally posted by Boroda
but Tokamak-15 and other projects were deliberately killed.

Just as in USofA.....fusion projects do not get enough funding....

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Russian
Just as in USofA.....fusion projects do not get enough funding....

Tokamak-15 was supposed to be built in 1992. In fact - it was built. Scrapped for aluminum and copper in a matter of months....

Now we participate in another joint Euro-Russian-Japanese project supposed to produce enough power to sustain it's own work, just as T-15 was supposed to work 16 years ago.

I expect a working thermonuclear reactor to appear in PRC in 5-10 years. I mean - an industrial power-station based on a thermonuclear reactor.

[trax1]

Originally posted by Boroda
Sure I have seen this jail.

I work in Semenov's institute. Next door to Physical Problems Institute, Peter Kapitsa, both - Nobel Prize winners. Kapitsa was "exiled" by Evil Stalin (tm). I wish I could be exiled to live in a park in a center of Moscow...

We have our technological hot-spot in Kapitsa's lab. It's freaking awesome. Jail my ass!...

Yeah but before they went there they went to the gulag.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by trax1
Yeah but before they went there they went to the gulag.

Sure you know better.

C'mon, educate me.

[TheDudeDVant]

Originally posted by Russian
Just as in USofA.....fusion projects do not get enough funding....

I think you meant 'fission' and not true as of 2 years ago energy bill in the states..

edit: opps.. i guess you didn't mean fission  ha 8)

[trax1]

Originally posted by Boroda
Sure you know better.

C'mon, educate me.

So your saying Stalin never sent any of his scientist to the gulag?  He was a friend of the scientist.

[Russian]

Originally posted by Boroda
Tokamak-15 was supposed to be built in 1992. In fact - it was built. Scrapped for aluminum and copper in a matter of months....

Now we participate in another joint Euro-Russian-Japanese project supposed to produce enough power to sustain it's own work, just as T-15 was supposed to work 16 years ago.

I expect a working thermonuclear reactor to appear in PRC in 5-10 years. I mean - an industrial power-station based on a thermonuclear reactor.

France with EU and multiple nations are building big-ass fusion plant that costs quite a lot. I really hope they can get enough date from it to build one with + energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER

[Russian]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
I think you meant 'fission' and not true as of 2 years ago energy bill in the states..

edit: opps.. i guess you didn't mean fission  ha 8)

I made same mistake when doing paper for my engineering class....good thing I realized before sending it in (Re Fusion vs Fission). Got an A+ for it

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Russian
France with EU and multiple nations are building big-ass fusion plant that costs quite a lot. I really hope they can get enough date from it to build one with + energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER

We had it ready to launch in 1991-92...

Bloody Communist Regime! (tm).

I bet our new-fangled "democracy" will ban all thermonuclear research: they get their royalty from oil and gas.

[Russian]

Originally posted by Boroda
We had it ready to launch in 1991-92...

Bloody Communist Regime! (tm).

I bet our new-fangled "democracy" will ban all thermonuclear research: they get their royalty from oil and gas.

I doubt it. A nation that lives on oil without investment into technology (aka future) will fail....

(Wiki says that T15 suspended in 05. ITER was build using T15 technology and few other tokamak designs. )