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Offline JBA

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« on: February 27, 2008, 02:18:50 PM »
Automated killer robots 'threat to humanity': expert

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080227111811.y9syyq8p&show_article=1

gun-totting robots developed for warfare could easily fall into the hands of terrorists and may one day unleash a robot arms race, a top expert on artificial intelligence told AFP.

Intelligent machines deployed on battlefields around the world --

Washington plans to spend four billion dollars by 2010 on unmanned technology systems, with total spending expected rise to 24 billion, according to the Department of Defense's Unmanned Systems Roadmap 2007-2032, released in December.


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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2008, 02:47:34 PM »
If they look like this, who will complain?

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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2008, 03:22:14 PM »
I hate to burst your bubble, Bodhi, but without that lower half...:D
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2008, 03:44:38 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2008, 03:52:39 PM »
We currently have the technology to send in autonomous armed robots that shoot anything that moves.  The problem is that in an environment like Iraq, not even humans can distinguish between friend and foe, how can you program a robot to?

As for a thinking, self aware robot that could create other thinking robots, we are as close to that as cavemen were to building a 747.
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2008, 03:54:38 PM »
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We currently have the technology to send in autonomous armed robots that shoot anything that moves.  The problem is that in an environment like Iraq, not even humans can distinguish between friend and foe, how can you program a robot to?



Who cares?

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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2008, 04:15:32 PM »
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Who cares?


There could be a whole lot of people who care pretty soon.  An indiscriminate killing machine is not that hard to build.  Can you imagine what would happen if a terrorists set loose a squad of these in a high traffic area?
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 04:21:19 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2008, 04:29:15 PM »
If you use robots to replace soldiers on a 1-1 basis, it's very very very hard.  You'd need to have judgment programmed in and..  it would be very difficult.

Instead of that, simplify the problem and scale up your ideas.  

My idea:

Invasion Mk II
1. Unarmed.  
2. Fully location aware.  GPS when available, inertial tracking when not, gyro stabilized, make every technology available so it knows WHERE it is at all times and records it.
3. Network connected.  When available, use low powered ad-hoc mesh networks to connect to every other nearby IM2 robot to save on power and reduce RFI, at least one is designated to pump bits via satellite or any other infrastructure available back to secure digital storage in the states.  
4. Full sound & video.  Each drone records constantly, and content is either uploaded on demand or when certain triggers are tripped.  
Example triggers: Sound of gunshot, explosion, etc.  Sudden heat, etc.  As bandwidth availability increases, maybe full time recording would be possible for all drones.
5. Mobile.  Through any means necessary, full mobility is needed.  Anywhere a person or goat can go, it needs to be able to follow.  

Usage:
You dump millions of them over a designated area or at the borders.  Each one parachutes or walks in and finds a person, then follows them.  Through whatever technical means is available, it sticks to that person.  If it ever loses them, it finds someone else and keeps going, logging the event.  The end result is that everyone in the target country gets a data trail.  Anytime there's gunfire, there's a log and evidence.  If they shoot the robot following them, that's logged.  If a robot goes into a bunker and never comes out, that's logged.

Everything is pumped into a big database, then the smart boys in IT start processing the information for patterns.  Robots that seem to disapear more often near location X.  Gunfire heard around person Y a lot, etc.  Two car bombs, always when Person Z has walked through the area, etc.

Step 3: Profit.  Send troops/assets/bombs as needed.

You could singlehandedly stifle any unconventional response (ie, terrorist) the same way you scare cockroaches, by shining a light on them.  It's non-lethal on its own, so there's probably a BIG increase in accuracy and the number of innocents caught in the middle is dramatically reduced.
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2008, 04:31:16 PM »
Sounds like a good idea.  Until you are shelling out hundreds of trillions before an invasion even begins.
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2008, 04:32:52 PM »
Could you imagine how many lines of code it would take to accomplish a thinking robot.
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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2008, 04:33:44 PM »
It might be possible when they really get into quantum computing.
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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2008, 04:37:11 PM »
Nah, better solution is to make remote operated combat suits.


The real soldiers are home inside 'simulators' , the robots are in the combat zone.

All remote controlled via satellite link.

This would allow a machine to be on duty 24/7 as human operators are rotated out in shifts in the states.

Maintainance / repair can also be done remotely or simply replaced by another unit that is deployed while the damaged one is shipped back to a safe back area for humans to repair it.

No AI involved, no risk of machines getting smart and gung-ho

and finally all that time spent in QUAKE will pay off.

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2008, 04:39:10 PM »
It's still aways off, it's estimated that computers won't match the speed and power of the human brain until sometime in the 2020's.
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2008, 04:48:56 PM »
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