Defective Helmets for US Troops

[Dos Equis]

From over at VetVoice:

http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=658

What do you think should happen to Sioux manufacturing, for KNOWINGLY (read the link) sending out helmets that they knew didn't meet the DoD standards?

Moreover, how did McCain, sitting on the Senate Armed Services Committee as one of the primary Senators, allow the contract to get renewed like that?

[EagleDNY]

Originally posted by Dos Equis

What do you think should happen to Sioux manufacturing, for KNOWINGLY (read the link) sending out helmets that they knew didn't meet the DoD standards?

Moreover, how did McCain, sitting on the Senate Armed Services Committee as one of the primary Senators, allow the contract to get renewed like that?

1.  Those guys should go to jail for fraud - straight up.  They weren't providing the items they were paid to provide - they were providing substandard items instead, and they knew it.  

If anyone can be shown to have been killed because of the failure of one of those substandard helmets or kevlar sheets, then I'd say prosecute the bums for murder too.  

2.  The army comes to the senate with a budget request for new helmets and shows the data on how they protect a lot better than the old helmets.  Senators approve budget request because that sounds like a good idea.  It isn't the Senators fault that the company is screwing the troops because they aren't going to know how the helmets perform or if the company has fulfilled the contract correctly unless the army tells them so.

Army procurement is a screwy thing on it's best day.  I've sold to the Army, and most procurement geeks barely know what it is they are buying when they send out the paperwork.  I'd definitely call the procurement geeks that approved the 2nd contract up and find out what they knew and when they knew it.

[bustr]

Folks you really need to do some research. The defence dept was aware of this. Souix Manuf. is paying fines and this is from the defence dept.

The United States attorney for North Dakota, Drew H. Wrigley, called the accord “an appropriate resolution” because the Defense Department had said that 200 sample helmets passed ballistic tests and that it “has no information of injuries or deaths due to inadequate Pasgt helmet protection.”

If there has been a plauge of dead solders due to bad halmets, the solders families would have been screaming on the internet. So would thier comrads.

[john9001]

but bustr you don't understand, Dos Equis says McCain is behind this. So drink the obama koolaid.

[bustr]

Knowing human nature is to be greedy and deceitful.

Don't you think for body armor the militairy specified a standard for numbers of layers of kevlar to overkill just in case some contractor thought they could use less and pocket the difference?

The militairy knows civilian contractors will cheat and cheat often. After all many of them get away with it.................not all americans like the militairy.

[john9001]

in related news, the US Marines say the new body armor is so heavy it restricts their fighting ability, they want the old armor back.

[bustr]

Marines dont need armor. God uses them to gaurd the streets of Heaven. Compaired to a United States Marine, Angles are wussies......

[rabbidrabbit]

Originally posted by john9001
but bustr you don't understand, Dos Equis says McCain is behind this. So drink the obama koolaid.

Don't feed the troll.

[Selino631]

what ever happend to teh dragon skin armor that was coming out?

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

They probably (like everything good/worthwhile) put it back on the shelfs after they found out it could stop direct grenade blasts.

(Sorry son, your lifes not worth 300 grand, but my last tax cut, i got myself a 120grand car.)


That kinda stuff.

[Yeager]

It wont be long before he labels McCain a racist.  Just watch

[BBBB]

Originally posted by Selino631
what ever happend to teh dragon skin armor that was coming out?

 Interesting story about that..It seems when a small company comes out with a product that is superior than the product produced by a few major companies, those major companies pull their collective weight and get that small companies NIJ certification suspended so that they can not participate in the federal government bullet resistant vest cost offset program.

 The NIJ claims it receive concerns from the Army about how well their vests would hold up during six years of use. Some of the Army brass have come under fire because it is alleged that they have gotten kick backs from some of the major contractors.

 It seems we have the M-16 issue all over again. Here is a new product that changes everything we know about how body armor works and because the other companies want to keep their sub par products in production they are using the Army brass to claim Dragon Skin is unsafe and will not hold up to a combat environment.

 There are have been hearings about this. The NIJ has taken a lot of flak from law enforcement agencies and rightly so. The NIJ has went against their founded principles and it's own research. It has proven it's self to be just as much part of politics as everyone else. Dragon Skin passed every NIJ test with flying colors. To suspend their certification sighting an outside "concern" is nothing more than the NIJ going along with the strong arm.

 Pinnacle Armor is fighting this full boar. I just hope they have enough money and steam to hang in there. Because it is very clear someone doesn't want them around and doesn't want Dragon Skin around. I can only speculate this has something to do with how revolutionary the product really is, sighting all the test this vest has passed with ease.

This is a link showing stuff from the hearing. It is all a pretty interesting read.
http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/hearing.php

 Dragon Skin seems to be the top dog when it comes to body armor. Some of the test's done to this stuff boggle the mind and I am not just talking about those tests done on Future Weapons. There have been some research companies working these vests over and all the hype they have generated seems to be well deserved.

 http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/dragon-skin.php

[AquaShrimp]

When Dragon Skin was tested by the USMC, it didn't stand up to the claims that the company made.  Just goes to show you that some tests are more objective and unbiased than others.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by john9001
but bustr you don't understand, Dos Equis says McCain is behind this. So drink the obama koolaid.

So t he "Blame Bush" crowd has already pre-emptively moved to "Blame McCain" now?  That's predictable!

[BBBB]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
When Dragon Skin was tested by the USMC, it didn't stand up to the claims that the company made.  Just goes to show you that some tests are more objective and unbiased than others.

 I would love to see the results of this "test" you are speaking about. I am unaware of a test done by the USMC.