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Offline Blackwulf

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« Reply #30 on: February 29, 2008, 03:44:40 PM »
Well, as I said above, I am not as stuffy as my writing style makes me seem at times.   And I take no offense, as stated earlier, I do respect the rights of others to hold their own views.  
I do speak rather candidly, and perhaps am too direct at times, which I find many are not used to.  I am also greatly appreciating the respectful tone of the replies I have read, and am enjoying the exchange.
However, I can only reply from my own point of view.  For me, it *is* quite simple, there is nothing overly complicated about the gospel.  
Christianity is "exclusionist"  Christ himself said "I am the way, the truth, and the life.  No one comes to the father except through me" John 14:6  [NKJV]
We also have "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:14 [ASV]
We are the ones in need of salvation for our sins.  God provided it, but it is still on his terms, not ours.  This is demonstrated by Christ himself, that there is no other path: "And he went forward a little, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass away from me: nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt."  Matthew 26:39
If there was any other way, Christ would not have had to have been crucified. So I would say that this is about as exclusive as it gets.
In addition to this, there is right, and there is wrong.  God calls doing wrong "sin". There is no middle ground, and we all have sinned.  The penalty for sin is clear, and Christ took that penalty unto himself for our sake. No other religion makes that claim, or can.  We, in our sinful nature like to think in shades of grey, and try to justify our actions and rationalize our sin.  This is not how God sees things. He is just, and being just, cannot look the other way, or join us in our rationalization. But he is merciful, and through the sacrifice of his son on the cross, provided a way for us, we need only accept it.
If this limits my world view, in this aspect I take it as a compliment.  I hope that some day my vision would be limited to that of Christ's.  It is a worthy goal, one that I cannot do on my own, and likely will not achieve in this mortal life.
So far as "most" christian churches embracing the study of other faiths, I am not aware of it.  I am aware of some "churches" doing such, often the same ones denying the authority of scripture, denying the diety of Christ and adopting a Gnostic pantheism, among other things I find too offensive to go into detail.  That would remove them from truly being a Christian church in my view, as they refuse the authority of the very God they claim to serve.
I disagree with equating the study of the faith and culture of the people a missionary is planning to serve in the field with the theology those type of churches.  It is a good thing to know the people one is to witness to.  To then state however, that most or all christians should study other faiths and incorporate their beliefs (as implied by your statement regarding exlusionist viewpoint) is an error.  The intents and goals are very different.
I apologize if I may have misunderstood what you are saying though.

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« Reply #31 on: February 29, 2008, 03:59:10 PM »
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 For me, it *is* quite simple, there is nothing overly complicated about the gospel.  
Christianity is "exclusionist"  Christ himself said "I am the way, the truth, and the life.  No one comes to the father except through me" John 14:6  [NKJV]


Problem is pretty much every religion on Earth claims the same thing.




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« Reply #32 on: February 29, 2008, 04:49:51 PM »
Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20:

Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."
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« Reply #33 on: February 29, 2008, 04:55:24 PM »
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Hell most of the time I feel like GOD is beating me with the watermelon end of the stick and Jesus is holding me down saying "Don't get up."

I rely upon GODs sense of humor..how else do you explain the Giraffe?

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« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2008, 04:58:11 PM »
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[B"Proverbs 3:5-6: Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths. [/B]


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« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2008, 05:14:43 PM »
If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough
When you get knocked down, you gotta get back up,
I ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer but I know enough to know,
If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.


Roger Alan Wade *1st Book on Stupidity, 2nd Chapter of Owww*

*Thou shall continueth*

I lit my brain with rot gut whisky
'Til my pain was chicken fried
and I've had dudes with badges frisk me
Teach me how to swallow pride

I took advice no fool would take
I got some habits I can't shake
I ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer but I know enough to know
If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough

If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough!
When you get knocked down you gotta get back up
That's the way it is in life and love and
Asss holes
I've been up and down, and down and out
I've been left and right and wrong
I walk the walk and i run my mouth
Been on that short end for too long
But if they gave medals for honkey-tonk wars
Hell, I'd keep mine in my chest of drawers
With myIRS bills and divorce papers and all that stuff
If you're gonna be dumb you gotta be tough

If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough!
When you get knocked down you gotta get back up.
I ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but i know enough to know
If you're gonna be dumb you gotta be tough
If you're gonna be dumb you gotta be tough
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« Reply #36 on: February 29, 2008, 07:19:54 PM »
When I'm feeling down I just think of 1 Samuel 14:13-14

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Jonathan climbed up, using his hands and feet, with his armor-bearer right behind him. The Philistines fell before Jonathan, and his armor-bearer followed and killed behind him. 14 In that first attack Jonathan and his armor-bearer killed some twenty men in an area of about half an acre.
You: Blah Blah Blah
Me: Meh, whatever.

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« Reply #37 on: February 29, 2008, 07:50:18 PM »
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When things get heavy, I'll read a little Emerson or Nietzsche and get that much needed inspiration from the Great Ronnie Johns.  Harden the **** up. :D
 


LMAO wish I could take this video with me whereve I go.
then every time someone whined about being "offended"
I could play it for them.

Kinda like my standard  "Grow a thicker skin" line

But with more flavor

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« Reply #38 on: February 29, 2008, 08:23:54 PM »
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Originally posted by republic
I generally don't discuss my faith out of respect for others.  (This being my first post concerning it in the 2 years of playing this game.)  If I'm asked, I'll respond but most people, as evident from these replies, have either been scorned by "Christians" or have intense feelings regarding faith of any sort.

I was looking for input for a study I am putting together and I had wrongly assumed there was a higher percentage of people of faith in these forums simply because of the generally higher average age of the typical AH player.

As much as I wish I had the ability to close the topic, and as much as I had hoped it would die quickly...it likely will remain and become an irritating constant reminder to my inbox.

So all I'm unsubscribing the thread, if you have a particular verse you'd like to share, PM me.


If you look. just as in real life there are alot of people of faith here.
Just to varying degrees.

Nobody adheres to their fath abslutely. It is near if not impossable to do so all the time.

Its a great ideology
But
Its simply not realistic.

Even my Uncle the Jehovas Witness. Who is probably the most devout to his religeon of anyone I've ever known.
Eventually came to this conclusion when he learned there can be certain benifits to a certain degree of greed.

Used to live the life of poverty. spending most if not all of his time "spreading the word."

now he is much more realistic.

Seems that while money may not be able to buy you happiness and enlightenment.
It sure can pay your way out of a whole lot of misery.
Not to mention food and housing.

As for me. More spiritual then religeous
Im agnostic towards organised religeon.
Each are mostly interpetations and misinterpetations anyway.
If you look at them in the entirety and strip away alot of the BS that organised religions preach. mostly advertising their own over all others.
And just look at the message.
the message is pretty much the same. And can be summed up in 3 sentances.

Live a decent life
Treat people how you want to be treated.
Learn how to forgive.

Turn the other cheek.
After that.
All bets are off
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Death is no easy answer
For those who wish to know
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What fate the future holds
It ain't pretty

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« Reply #39 on: February 29, 2008, 08:26:45 PM »
If you really want an answer to your question.
I would suggest Seagoon.
Who as far as Im concerned is more or less the O'club chaplin

He can usually come up with some pretty good pearls of wizdom

Come to think of it
Where the hell is Seagoon anyway?
Death is no easy answer
For those who wish to know
Ask those who have been before you
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« Reply #40 on: February 29, 2008, 08:40:49 PM »
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Problem is pretty much every religion on Earth claims the same thing.




Party on dudes. Be good to one another.

Wasn't that "Be excellent to each other? :lol

IMO religion has become a supermarket. Christian mythology, Buddhist mythology, Islamic mythology and so on and so forth, one size does not fit all, just pick the one that suits your mood today.
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« Reply #41 on: February 29, 2008, 09:41:16 PM »
DESIDERATA

Go placidly amid the noise & haste, & remember what peace there may be in silence.  As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.  Speak your truth quietly & clearly; and listen to others, even the dull & ignorant; they too have their story.  Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.  If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain & bitter; for always there will be greater & lesser persons than yourself.  Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.  Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.  Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.  Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity & disenchantment it is perennial as the grass.  Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.  But do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue & loneliness.  Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.  You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.  And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.  Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labours & aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery & broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.  Be careful.  Strive to be happy.

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« Reply #42 on: February 29, 2008, 11:32:01 PM »
I've been reading the Gnostic Bible and am starting to lean more towards a Gnostic view of the world.  I don't really know enough to elaborate beyond that, I've got the feeling it's going to take a long time to truly understand.
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« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2008, 04:09:13 AM »
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Wasn't that "Be excellent to each other? :lol

IMO religion has become a supermarket. Christian mythology, Buddhist mythology, Islamic mythology and so on and so forth, one size does not fit all, just pick the one that suits your mood today.



Yep, you are right there SD, excellent it is.

Still, it is a mantra I try and live by.....live and let live, each to their own, do unto others as you would have done unto thine self etc.

IMHO God, any God that is worth following, wouldn't care what book you read, or what name you call Him/Her/It by, it is how you act and how you interact with your fellow living creatures that really counts.
I guess I'll find out if i am right or wrong the day I die, but until then just making a conscious effort to try and understand others points of view and not make a salamander of myself has got to be worth something.


Halo, my mum has a copy of that on her fridge door, I have always thought it makes a whole lot of sense.
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« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2008, 06:01:14 AM »
Faith is what you have.
Religion is what the salesmen try to sell you.

To quote an old testament bit and disregard faith entirely ..-shrug- ..I've heard of sillier things people have done.
Get a load of what a 'wave offering' is and try to work that into your daily schedule if you think the old testament applies today.
Better yet . . read the old testament commandments.
There are over 200 of them.
Yes .. as handed down to Moses.
Charlie Heston didn't get 'em all in the movie, mk?
Good luck with that.

Coupla things that are interesting about the King James Bible..
..the 'Old Testament' is just that .. alla rules an regulations in there were for the edification of the faithful before Jesus walked as a man.

Things changed.
The New Testament is for the edification of the faithful these days.

I'd recommend reading the whole thing, it's a bit rough in spots .. both the temptation to not do so and the parts that speak directly to your soul..
It took me a long time to finally read the entire book cover to cover and it changed my life.

Just the standard old school King James version .. it's the closest to 'the greek' that you will find.
Not as edited by any religious salesmen, they try to bend the truths therein.

Check out how the King James version came into being .. it wasn't a minor task ..their very lives depended on 'getting it right'

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