Author Topic: Hillary getting desperate?  (Read 1206 times)

Offline Regulator

  • Zinc Member
  • *
  • Posts: 55
Hillary getting desperate?
« on: February 29, 2008, 11:17:14 AM »
I am not surprised by anything Hillary does to try and win, she is known for her nasty underhanded way of trying to get what she wants.  Isn't she the one that wanted felons to have the right to vote, and illegals?

Quote
LAREDO, Texas - Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign has raised the possibility of a challenge to Texas' primary and caucus rules just days before the contest, drawing a warning against legal action from the state's Democratic Party.

Top strategists for Democratic rival Barack Obama said Friday they supported the party's action, suggesting the Clinton campaign was trying to block the reporting of caucus results.

Aides to Clinton said earlier this week they were alarmed at the lack of clarity about many of the caucus rules and expressed their concerns on a conference call with Obama's staff and state party officials. Texas has a two-step voting process, with a primary and then caucuses shortly after the polls close.

Specifically, Clinton aides questioned a provision allowing caucus attendees to vote to move the location if they choose to do so, and whether people who had cast so-called "provisional ballots" in the primary would have their votes counted in the caucus.

They also expressed concern about the automated phone system precinct chairs would use to call in the results of each caucus, saying the party hadn't yet trained anyone to use the system properly.

Clinton political director Guy Cecil said he asked party officials to spell out the rules in memo form and to send them to both campaigns.

"We want to see the results in writing, and we reserve the right to challenge something if we don't believe it reflects something that was discussed on the call," he said, insisting that if there were clear problems with how the caucuses were being run, "you are allowed to say something about it."

Cecil on Friday denied that the campaign planned to sue the party, which will manage roughly 8,700 caucuses Tuesday evening.

"There were no veiled threats of lawsuits of any kind," Cecil said of the conference call.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said the Clinton campaign was trying to minimize the results of the caucuses. The former first lady and her team have made clear their unhappiness with caucuses, believing that they cater to the hard-core party activists who tend to support Obama. The Illinois senator has won 13 caucuses so far, while Clinton has won just two.

"This takes it to a new level, which is they don't want the people who are participating in those caucuses to have their results reported in a timely fashion. And I assume that's a very self-serving decision," Plouffe said.

Texas party officials said they believed Cecil was threatening legal action and wrote a letter to him and to Obama senior strategist Steve Hildebrand reflecting that concern.

"If it is true that litigation is imminent between one or both of your campaigns and the Texas Democratic Party, such action could prove to be a tragedy for a reinvigorated democratic process that is involving a record number of participants here in Texas and across the nation," party attorney Chad Dunn wrote. "Litigation regarding the TDP could cripple the momentum of a resurging Texas Democratic Party and ultimately the November 2008 election."

The letter also noted that many of Clinton's senior campaign advisers in Texas had helped to develop the rules governing the state's caucus system. A Texas party official also noted that former President Clinton won the state's caucuses in 1992 and 1996 following the same rules.

Texas has 193 delegates up for grabs Tuesday. Of those delegates, 126 will come from the primary, and 67 from the caucus.  


Source

Offline MORAY37

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2318
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2008, 11:27:23 AM »
She's been desperate... this is just the latest incarnation.  It's almost impossible for her to win this race..  I, for one, couldn't be happier.
"Ocean: A body of water occupying 2/3 of a world made for man...who has no gills."
-Ambrose Bierce

Offline texasmom

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6078
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2008, 11:35:19 AM »
She was a real b**** long before she was desperate.
<S> Easy8
<S> Mac

Offline SWrokit

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 642
      • http://125thspartanforums.com/index.php
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2008, 12:03:23 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by texasmom
She was a real b**** long before she was desperate.




:aok   Couldn't agree more.

SWrokit; CO~125th Spartans

RIP.......SWfire, SWmac, GMC, SWonyx

Offline Shamus

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3583
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2008, 12:33:38 PM »
I am of the opinion that she would be willing to sacrifice the lives of 10 million of us to get elected.

shamus

ps: I don't trust her:)
one of the cats

FSO Jagdgeschwader 11

Offline MORAY37

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2318
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2008, 12:46:34 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Shamus
I am of the opinion that she would be willing to sacrifice the lives of 10 million of us to get elected.

shamus

ps: I don't trust her:)


I agree with you.  She would do or kill anyone to get the job.  

She is weak in the knees for the power.... either that, or she really wants to get in the oval office and "smoke" a cigar...hint hint nudge nudge.
"Ocean: A body of water occupying 2/3 of a world made for man...who has no gills."
-Ambrose Bierce

Offline SWrokit

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 642
      • http://125thspartanforums.com/index.php
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2008, 01:03:17 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by MORAY37
I agree with you.  She would do or kill anyone to get the job.  

She is weak in the knees for the power.... either that, or she really wants to get in the oval office and "smoke" a cigar...hint hint nudge nudge.



What goes around....comes back around.  Pay back time for Billy Bob Boy................."Billy meet BUBA, my new 'Bodyguard' ".   :t

SWrokit; CO~125th Spartans

RIP.......SWfire, SWmac, GMC, SWonyx

Offline Airscrew

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4808
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2008, 01:26:19 PM »
She has a point though.   First we go to the polls and vote either early voting or March 4.   Basically you ballot vote, and then come back at 7:15 pm March 4, and then you "vote" again.  Alot of people dont know this.  In 30 years I've never had to do this... of course normally I vote Republican so its a non-issue for me...

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/issue/story?oid=oid%3A597229

Quote

Make Your Vote Count – Twice! A primer on Democratic precinct conventions
BY LEE NICHOLS

We've all heard the ballot-stuffing joke: "Vote early; vote often." Well, in this election, it's no joke: You should vote twice. In fact, it's legal, and it's encouraged – at least if you're a Democrat.

The process will require some explanation.

No, don't cast a ballot twice. What election officials and candidates want you to do – in fact, they're pleading for it – is to show up at your precinct convention at 7:15pm on March 4, after the polls close (but in this high-turnout election, the convention can't begin until the last voter in line has voted). That is where you will cast your "second vote." If you don't, you're giving up part of your influence on the Democratic presidential nomination. And yes, you should report to your precinct that night, whether you voted early or on election day.

Offline Airscrew

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4808
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2008, 01:32:18 PM »
Quote

You might be vaguely aware of these precinct meetings but never actually participated in one. In recent elections, they haven't been very important, as the presidential nominations have been wrapped up by the time the primaries come to Texas. But this year, Texas is at the epicenter of the fight for delegates between Democratic candidates Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama.

Securing either major party's nomination comes down to which candidate gets the most delegates at the national conventions. For Democrats, that delegate struggle has many parts. There are the "superdelegates" – important party figures, such as elected officials and party officers, who can pledge for whichever candidate they choose. Then there are regular, or "pledged," delegates, who are essentially divided among the candidates according to the results of the state primary elections and caucuses. Texas will send 228 delegates to the national convention – 193 pledged and 35 superdelegates.


Quote

What It Means
Now, if you aren't picky about whether the candidate is Obama or Clinton, there isn't much need for you to attend your precinct convention. But if you're fiercely committed to Barack or Hillary, then you need to represent – otherwise, the other candidate's supporters might fill your precinct meeting and swing convention-selected delegates the other way. For example, let's say you live in a heavily pro-Obama neighborhood. You'd want the delegates sent to the county convention from your precinct to reflect that, right? But if Clinton supporters mobilize and get to that caucus, and Obama supporters don't, then Obama won't come away with any representation from your precinct at the conventions that decide those 67 delegates.

Offline Airscrew

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4808
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2008, 02:42:06 PM »
this whole Obama vs Hillary thing has me wanting to go and do something evil...:t   McCain has pretty much got his.. so I should go vote for Hillary just to try and screwup the whole Obama cult... and watch them fight at the national convention...

Offline Selino631

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1493
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2008, 07:16:14 PM »
Hillary Rondalm Clinton = psychopath!!!!:mad: WOULD BE TERRIBLE FOR COUNTRY!!! AND THE WORLD!!!:mad: :furious
OEF 11-12

Offline Maverick

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13958
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2008, 07:21:01 PM »
Do you really think obama is any better than hillary? He's just a lot more subtle about his agenda. At least hillary is upfront, you know where she is coming from. IMO obama is possibly a bit more dangerous due to his low key presentation. With him you really don't know what you are getting until the deal is closed.
DEFINITION OF A VETERAN
A Veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount of "up to and including my life."
Author Unknown

Offline Selino631

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1493
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2008, 07:30:32 PM »
I dont agree, "I am taking your right away for your own good"- Hillary, isnt that just crazy!!? and she wants to bannd guns how will that make us anysafer? crooks will still get guns from Canada and such and when there's more home invasions how will ppl defend them selfs?? also i have hear a rumor that she wants to bannd video games "becuase there to influcencal" but i dont no if that is true. still she would hurt the USA bad...

Now Barack Obama, i don't really agree with everythign he wants, with the war and all, and he is inexperinced but he is sure better then hillary!!!!:furious
OEF 11-12

Offline DREDIOCK

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17775
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2008, 07:33:44 PM »
The letter also noted that many of Clinton's senior campaign advisers in Texas had helped to develop the rules governing the state's caucus system. A Texas party official also noted that former President Clinton won the state's caucuses in 1992 and 1996 following the same rules.
 


C'mon.

they helped develop the rules and now they are claiming they dont understand them??

Not to mention

Somehow I think in a state as important as Texas Hillary and co already have people who are experts in the Texas system.

Gimme a freaking break!
Death is no easy answer
For those who wish to know
Ask those who have been before you
What fate the future holds
It ain't pretty

Offline Gixer

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3189
Hillary getting desperate?
« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2008, 07:34:40 PM »
Watched a few mins of an interview she did couple days ago and she claimed as just one of her many accomplishments, Peace in Northern Island... Now that's a new one to me. :rolleyes:


...-Gixer