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Offline rpm

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« on: March 01, 2008, 04:29:59 AM »
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Sadly, only one of these crimes will have the possibility of the death penalty.
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2008, 06:21:52 AM »
Convince me that society will lock up vicious killers with no possibility of escape and I will stop supporting the death penalty.

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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2008, 07:25:09 AM »
When I lived in FLA the typical '1st time' murderer would prolly spend 7 years or so inside.....then be released. You find damn few people mureded by peeps who haven't been convicted of heinous things in the past, for which most would think would warrant life---'life' always seems to end with less than a decade behind bars
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2008, 07:45:24 AM »
So if your country is so in love with the death penalty, why don't you just get on with it and kill everyone on death row? How many are waiting to die? How many new death penalties are handed down each year vs the number that are actually executed each year?

I think your society is simply too unwilling to put the money where the mouth is because if you do, it's going to make you look, to the rest of the world, like a pack of vengeful, murdering, inhumane bastids. Like the Chinese look. So if sorting out your death row problem makes you look bad, doesn't that mean that maybe the death penalty is wrong?

Anyway, that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see those child-murdering bananas killed for what they've done, but only if there is no shadow of a doubt.

I say take the actual execution out of the hands of the justice system and hand it over to the victims families. I bet death row would be empty.

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2008, 10:33:49 AM »
Frankly I don't think anyone in a capital crime murder trial gives a rats posterior about what the "rest of the world" thinks. "The rest of the world" isn't dealing with the murderer at the time.
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2008, 10:40:31 AM »
My only concern are the innocents that have been executed.  It's happened.
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2008, 10:51:46 AM »
I am not aware of one case of an "innocent" being executed can you show me?

I am aware of these guys killing tens of thousands of innocents over the years tho.

I would say that we should be extra careful tho and make pretty darn certain.  If we are wrong.. it is bad but nothing compared to eternity.. you would have to be some sort of atheist to fear death so much... er.. oh.. wait...

nevermind.

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2008, 10:53:50 AM »
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Sadly, only one of these crimes will have the possibility of the death penalty.


I am far from being religious but Jesus put it best

"Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2008, 10:59:55 AM »
I am for the death penaly in Non circumstantial only cases.

Meaning where there is no question whatsoever that the person did the crime. Where the proof is absolute.

Anything less would be life without parole

Example. Scott Peterson would get life without parole as his case was based entirely around circumstantial evidence.

Jeffry Dahmer would be executed by the state ASAP (yes I know he was by fellow inmates)
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2008, 11:14:27 AM »
The current problem with the death penalty is that it is used so sparingly that we do not know if it's a deterrent or not.
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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2008, 12:15:02 PM »
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I am not aware of one case of an "innocent" being executed can you show me?
 


since you asked, here is one I know of, off the top of my head. the whole thing wasn't anything more than a kangaroo court.

Henry Wirz, former commandant of Andersonville prison in Georgia, was the only Confederate soldier to be executed by the United States for war crimes.

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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2008, 12:27:22 PM »
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I am not aware of one case of an "innocent" being executed can you show me?

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Will you go on record stating that, in your belief, there has never been an innocent man executed?  Or will you start waffling and trying to redefine the question?
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2008, 12:37:24 PM »
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The current problem with the death penalty is that it is used so sparingly that we do not know if it's a deterrent or not.


We know it's not a deterrent in itself. We also know our criminal justice system is incapable of being trusted with such a significant responsibility. We know that every time we take a look at convictions at any level be it misdemeanor or capitol we find a (to me at least) frightening number of inappropriate sentences and convictions.

We find an unacceptably high ratio of instances where the cases brought against dependents are lousy with misconduct and incompetence by those that we trust to carry out the responsibility of fair and impartial justice. The fact that we chose to close the books on those already executed and subsequently deny them any potential for exoneration is not relevant. It's a cowardly method of evading the central issue most of us (I believe) really have with capitol punishment. It is an appropriate sanction for those who have earned it but with the way we run our courts, in far too many cases, it's impossible to tell if the conviction has any real merit.
The idea that we just recently started to convict the innocent is obviously what many would like us to believe.

Many will point to the occasional case where a defendant has made confessions (assumingly without duress), or is faced with incontrovertible physical evidence that establishes guilt. As if it justifies the "occasional" miscarriage of justice.

We know that we can not trust our courts. Right here on this board there's a plethora of rants questioning the abilities and motivations of those we entrust with our best interests. Only when the "authorities" pander to our own personal agendas do we find ourselves in support of their actions. We ignore the cases where unreliable "expert" testimony, lab results, investigative methods and official misconduct have been proven. As if these are rare occurrences that somehow slipped through the cracks of an otherwise reliable system. I personally believe they are the norm. Our criminal justice system has become a criminal justice industry and it will do anything in it's power to perpetuate itself. Like all industries where accountability and integrity are given less priority than "efficiency".

It is in fact a proven that when apprehension and conviction is reasonably assured there is a decrease in the instance of every category of antisocial behavior. When somebody is fairly sure they will be caught, they rarely commit. Maybe it's time we entered the 21st century and brought all of our current resources to bear in a way that would help us help the criminal justice community serve our interests more in keeping with their fundamental mandate.
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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2008, 12:42:31 PM »
absolute certainty.  Once you have it, kill them and kill them immediately.
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2008, 01:46:04 PM »
well..  I guess if the only one you guys can think of is a confederate soldier for war crimes..  well..  I can live with that.

Is there any non military example you guys can name of an innocent man being executed.

We have executed a lot of people.. there are a lot of smart and powerful people who hate that sooooo.. it should be easy to simply give an example or 20.

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