Author Topic: Why Do I Support The Death Penalty? (Read 1987 times)

Chairboy · « **Reply #15 on:** March 01, 2008, 01:50:49 PM »

Before I provide any examples, I'd like to see if you're willing to make a positive statement that you don't think anyone has ever been executed for a crime they didn't commit.

I'll also suggest you speak to the subject of people on death row who are released after DNA evidence exonerates them.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #16 on:** March 01, 2008, 01:53:38 PM »

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So if sorting out your death row problem makes you look bad, doesn't that mean that maybe the death penalty is wrong?

You say it "makes us look bad", that doesn't make it so.

In love with the death penalty? More ignorance. I won't speak for anyone else but while I support the death penalty, I'd be much more happy if it was never given out because there were no murders being committed.

Anyone w/ DNA evidence leading to a conviction and sentencing to death should be executed, today.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #17 on:** March 01, 2008, 01:55:21 PM »

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We know it's not a deterrent in itself.

False

Public execution is the sinlge most effective deterrent.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #18 on:** March 01, 2008, 02:03:26 PM »

Deterrent or not.

Where there is absolute proof.
There is no reason to keep them around taking up space in the prison system for 30+ years.

Where there is absolute proof. reduce the number of appeals allowed to one.

Loose that one. Loose your life.

Particularly in cases where children are involved.

In cases where children are the victims. I'd take it a step father and say execute them in the most inhumane and torturous ways man can imagine.

Elfie · « **Reply #19 on:** March 01, 2008, 02:04:25 PM »

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Originally posted by DieAz
since you asked, here is one I know of, off the top of my head. the whole thing wasn't anything more than a kangaroo court.

Henry Wirz, former commandant of Andersonville prison in Georgia, was the only Confederate soldier to be executed by the United States for war crimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Wirz

Hardly innocent. Henry Wirz was in charge of the Andersonville PoW camp for over a year. Thousands of Union soldiers died during that time. Nearly 1 in 3 Union soldiers sent to Andersonville died.

Chairboy · « **Reply #20 on:** March 01, 2008, 02:10:00 PM »

BTW, I'll support immediate execution when absolute certainty exists. I'm aware of few cases where this was available, but it does happen.

Yeager · « **Reply #21 on:** March 01, 2008, 03:08:55 PM »

who the **** cares about deterrence anyway. kill the son of a ***** and he never kills anyone ever again. Thats the whole damned point.

RTGorkle · « **Reply #22 on:** March 01, 2008, 03:17:59 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
You say it "makes us look bad", that doesn't make it so.

Agreed. I didn't say that that was so, just putting out there that it's possible. I guess there's no single answer - it's good if you think it's good and bad if you think it's bad. Good under some circumstances, bad under others.

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In love with the death penalty? More ignorance.

It was a turn of phrase. And what do you mean by 'more' ignorance?

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Anyone w/ DNA evidence leading to a conviction and sentencing to death should be executed, today.

I agree, but as I said, I think the world will frown upon your country if you execute people as fast as you sentence them to death via DNA evidence.

Also, I don't think execution (public or not) is a deterrent. It's pretty well known these days that people who commit these crimes are not in a frame of mind, or they are not brought up, nurtured, educated, or wired in a way for them to be able to evaluate consequences before they act. I also think that countries that have public executions also have secret police running around terrorising/murdering the population and that they are therefore under the fear of death anyway.

Shamus · « **Reply #23 on:** March 01, 2008, 03:41:07 PM »

My problem with capitol punishment is the possible use on an innocent person.

You can say prove to me that an innocent has ever been executed and I would have to say that logic would indicate that they have. DNA has exonerated many on death row, would you say that prior to DNA evidence being available that the trials were more objective and less prone to error?, ludicrous.

Irrefutable DNA evidence is the only way that I would accept capitol punishment being doled out, and what I mean by that is that if the government uses DNA as evidence they must provide an original sample to the defense and pay for the defense to submit it to an independent lab.

If we hear "oh darn, there wasn't enough left we used it all in our test" the governments DNA evidence is booted.

shamus

Yeager · « **Reply #24 on:** March 01, 2008, 03:44:18 PM »

Irrefutable DNA evidence is the only way that I would accept capitol punishment
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If ten people see someone push someone else into the path of a speeding train what DNA evidence is there to prove who did it?

Shamus · « **Reply #25 on:** March 01, 2008, 03:50:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
Irrefutable DNA evidence is the only way that I would accept capitol punishment
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If ten people see someone push someone else into the path of a speeding train what DNA evidence is there to prove who did it?

With video that can be proved as untampered to substantiate I might be swayed, eyewitness testimony is the least reliable of all.

shamus

trax1 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 01, 2008, 04:30:34 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I am not aware of one case of an "innocent" being executed can you show me?

I am aware of these guys killing tens of thousands of innocents over the years tho.

I would say that we should be extra careful tho and make pretty darn certain. If we are wrong.. it is bad but nothing compared to eternity.. you would have to be some sort of atheist to fear death so much... er.. oh.. wait...

nevermind.

lazs

Here in Illinois 2 or 3 people who were on death row were found to actually be innocent, after that Illinois put a stop to the death penalty and commutated all death penalty's to life, so it does happen that innocent people get sent to death row.

cav58d · « **Reply #27 on:** March 01, 2008, 04:50:17 PM »

I'd like to see repeat sex offenders put to death. How many times over the past couple years do we hear about a little girl being kidnapped, raped and murdered and by who......A guy who has spent his life in and out of jail on sex offender offenses.

I have no mercy for these people. If you rape someone, especially a child, I want you dead.

Xargos · « **Reply #28 on:** March 01, 2008, 05:10:56 PM »

I worked death row for over three years in S.C., and there is only one person I felt shouldn't be on it. Even if a state never uses the death penalty, it should still remain on the books so the prosecutors have more to work with to make deals.

P.S. The idea that someone can murder another then get free food, shelter, and medical care is just absurd.

DieAz · « **Reply #29 on:** March 01, 2008, 05:12:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
Hardly innocent. Henry Wirz was in charge of the Andersonville PoW camp for over a year. Thousands of Union soldiers died during that time. Nearly 1 in 3 Union soldiers sent to Andersonville died.

put the blame where it belongs.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Wirz/exchg1.htm

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Wirz/exchg4.htm

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Wirz/exchg3.htm

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Wirz/Cont3.htm
sure are a lot of unknown names for these crimes.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Wirz/Cont3.htm
the level of evidence declines sharply, 11 days after the hanging.

the main page, knock yourself out reading it all.
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Wirz/Wirz.htm

be sure to read the Execution of Henry Wirz. the first paragraph will tell you a lot about the man.

it leads me to this question how many men you know would rather die than to lie?