Why Do I Support The Death Penalty?

[SIG220]

Originally posted by Yeager
who the **** cares about deterrence anyway.  kill the son of a ***** and he never kills anyone ever again.   Thats the whole damned point.

But even the most infamous and monstrous child killers like John Couey are still alive today.

And with the Supreme Court reviewing the whole issue of what is cruel and unusual punishment, all executions are currently on hold here in the USA, Period!

You know, when the police finally found the buried body of little 9 year old Jessica Lunsford, two of her fingers had managed to break through the garbage bags that he had wrapped her in, while she was still alive, before he dumped her into that hole.  

It is not known how exactly long it took her to suffocate, but she obviously struggled against death for awhile, in a vain attempt to escape her fate.   But all she could manage to do is get two tiny little fingers poked through.

Perhaps our Constitution needs to be amended to allow for cruel and unusual punishment for those who themselves kill in a cruel and unusual manner???   Would that perhaps be just??

Couey's attorneys are also appealing on the ground that he is supposedly retarded, and should never have been convicted of any crime in the first place, because of that.   Even if they cannot get the conviction overturned, just convincing a judge that he is retarded, will then automatically prevent him from ever being executed.   For the Supreme Court has already outlawed the execution of any retarded criminals.

[moot]

Originally posted by Xargos
I worked death row for over three years in S.C., and there is only one person I felt shouldn't be on it.  Even if a state never uses the death penalty, it should still remain on the books so the prosecutors have more to work with to make deals.

P.S.  The idea that someone can murder another then get free food, shelter, and medical care is just absurd.

Yep and it's equaly flawed to denounce capital punishment as barbaric and inhumane, while suggesting emprisonment isn't.

[Excel1]

Originally posted by SteveBailey

Anyone w/ DNA evidence leading to a conviction and sentencing to death should be executed, today.

mistakes can be made with dna evidence, and dna evidence can be planted or manipulated by over zealous cops to get a conviction. it's not as though the planting of evidence hasn't happened. wrong convictions probably happen more often than people might realise, but occasionally there's a glaring  example that highlights it. a guy here in nz got life for a double murder only to be pardoned 10 years later when it was proven that the cops planted the evidence that got him convicted. if it had of been a couple of decades earlier before capitol punishment was abolished he would have almost certainly ended up swinging on the end of a hangman’s rope, and that may have been the end of the matter... it would have been for him anyway.

capitol punishment was primarily abolished in nz because the chances of executing an innocent man were deemed to be too great, and even with dna evidence there is still too many dubious convictions to reinstate the death penalty yet.

[Xargos]

Originally posted by moot
Yep and it's equaly flawed to denounce capital punishment as barbaric and inhumane, while suggesting emprisonment isn't.

I personally knew two death row inmates who gave up all their appeals so they could be executed faster.

P.S.  The only thing inhumane is what the criminals did to their victims.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Excel1
mistakes can be made with dna evidence, and dna evidence can be planted or manipulated by over zealous cops to get a conviction. it's not as though the planting of evidence hasn't happened. .

show me a single case, from anywhere in the world, where DNA evidence was planted that resulted in a death sentence.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
False

Public execution is the sinlge most effective deterrent.

Then why don't we do it publically?

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Then why don't we do it publically?

Ask the left.

[Excel1]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
show me a single case, from anywhere in the world, where DNA evidence was planted that resulted in a death sentence.

i have never heard of a documented case and i'm not about to look it up, but that doesn't mean that it hasn't or can't happen. dna testing can provide conclusive proof of guilt by the guilty, but it can also be planted (or withheld) by crooked cops just like other forms of material evidence to gain a conviction. though chances are probably slim that such abuse would lead to the death penalty very often in the western world any how since the u.s is the only western country left that has capital punishment. it's a matter of numbers.

[angelsandair]

Originally posted by rpm
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Here's just a couple reasons...

Sadly, only one of these crimes will have the possibility of the death penalty.

One of the great things about texas,

If you kill someone, we will kill you back.

Still, thats always sad to hear that stuff on the news.....

[angelsandair]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Ask the left.

agreed

[rpm]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Ask the left.

The left says "Hang 'em high."

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Excel1
i have never heard of a documented case and i'm not about to look it up, but that doesn't mean that it hasn't  

Yes, thats exactly what it means, actually.

[angelsandair]

Originally posted by rpm
The left says "Hang 'em high."

No correction. The left says "Its societies fault, we need to quit being so mean to them."

[Excel1]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Yes, thats exactly what it means, actually.

no it doesn't

and how can you be so sure it does.

have you got some insight in to the legitimacy of every death penalty sentence handed down where dna evidence was largely used, or the deciding factor to obtain the conviction, or do you just believe that every example of dna evidence presented by a successful prosecution in every capitol trial was righteously obtained.

i know cops in general, and rotten cops especially, aren’t the brightest bulbs on the xmas tree but if they are clued up enough to deduce that sowing a hard to solve double murder crime scene with the spent cases from a suspects rifle will guarantee a conviction in 1970 then i dont believe it's too much of a stretch to believe in the posability of the planting of dna evidence in 2008 wouldn't be above their ilk.

[Thruster]

I am not aware of one case of an "innocent" being executed can you show me?

The rebuttal is fatuous partly because of its circular logic. There is no judicial mechanism for review of guilt or pronouncement of innocence after an execution. The courts are done with it. Therefore, it should go without saying that no court has announced that an executed person was innocent, since American courts by definition do not make such findings.