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Offline DoNKeY

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« Reply #60 on: March 04, 2008, 09:02:01 AM »
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All the crying about HO'ing on the 200 channel Donkey makes it safe to say a whole lot of vets gets HO'd, or attempted HO'd. That and a lot of vets actually do it. I guess a lot depends on how you fly. If your a high alt picker, and no Im not saying you are, then your chances of getting HO'd are small. If you mix it up low in furballs, which limits your maneuvering, your chances are greater. Either way its kinda funny the idea that Vets neither give or take HO's. From what I can see the dedicated face shooters are opportunistic.

                   Thanks Lute Im going to spend a bit more time in the Niki with that thought in mind.


I guess we just have different definitions of vets...

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« Reply #61 on: March 04, 2008, 11:47:17 PM »
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All the crying about HO'ing on the 200 channel Donkey makes it safe to say a whole lot of vets gets HO'd, or attempted HO'd. That and a lot of vets actually do it. I guess a lot depends on how you fly. If your a high alt picker, and no Im not saying you are, then your chances of getting HO'd are small. If you mix it up low in furballs, which limits your maneuvering, your chances are greater. Either way its kinda funny the idea that Vets neither give or take HO's. From what I can see the dedicated face shooters are opportunistic.

                   Thanks Lute Im going to spend a bit more time in the Niki with that thought in mind.


hey rich..i agree with ya about the vets doing this too.
 as far as donkey being  picker.......i was furballing in a hurri2c(having a baaad night too..kept gettin my *** handed to me) i saw him at around 3 or 4k alt in a knife fight..i forget what he was flyin against, as i was more concerned with the guys down in the trees with me....but i died 3 times, and every time i came back to that area, he was still up fightin this guy......him, AND his opponent both had plenty of oppurtunities to drop in and pick any of us as we were all soooooo friggin slow.....i can't remember if he won or lost that fight either........just figured i'd mention that.......

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« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2008, 06:11:33 AM »
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hey rich..i agree with ya about the vets doing this too.
 as far as donkey being  picker.......i was furballing in a hurri2c(having a baaad night too..kept gettin my *** handed to me) i saw him at around 3 or 4k alt in a knife fight..i forget what he was flyin against, as i was more concerned with the guys down in the trees with me....but i died 3 times, and every time i came back to that area, he was still up fightin this guy......him, AND his opponent both had plenty of oppurtunities to drop in and pick any of us as we were all soooooo friggin slow.....i can't remember if he won or lost that fight either........just figured i'd mention that.......

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                   Thanks anyway but really no need. Ive seen Donkey around enough to know hes an honorable player.

                   As to picking?? Certain airplanes are only competitive when they B&Z and use their energy/roll advantage effectively. When I see a 190, jug, or Pony up high looking for a pick I dont automatically hate them hate for doing so. Dropping down and turn fighting wouldnt be the smartest thing for him to do. Everyone to some extent picks anyways and I was just using the term as an example.

                    Everyday I say Im going to HO everyone I see , but everyday I end up HO'ing very few again anyways. I did face shoot a 262 last night that was buzzing around at 450 mph killing our mission goons. I dont know how he knew to up a 262 right at that moment but it cost him a bunch of perks.

                   Yesterday on TT I saw more Nikis then usual and again I didnt see one HO. A lot of other aircraft did in the furballs I was in but not a Niki. A couple of guys in tank Island knew what they were doing in them too. This is an effective aircraft.
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« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2008, 06:12:04 AM »
Urchin, it really all boils down to the pilot.  A spit V SHOULD win vs. a N1K2-J.

The Spitfire holds it's Energy sooooo well that you can use that against it.  Which is why I chop throttle (reverse rudder sometimes) and bleed my E so fast when it's clear we gonna knife fight.

IF the Spit pilot knows what's what and are also bleeding Energy, it's gonna get "interesting".   Of all the Spitfires, the V is the one that gives me the most "concern" when fighting when I am in a N1K2-J.

(turn rate comparisons.  values are No Flaps, One notch, and Full)
N1K2-J (0.05)
- 17 seconds (167mph), 202.0m
- 16 seconds (153mph), 174.2m
- 15 seconds (134mph), 143.0m

Spitfire Mk.V (0.05)
- 16 seconds (138mph), 157.0m
- N/A
- 17 seconds (102mph), 123,2m

If you look, the V turns best w/o flaps @ 138mph and w/ flaps 102 mph.  The KEY to beating it in a N1K2-J is to be already in position when those speeds are reached, or well on your way at least.  When fighting a Spit V that 170-220mph window, like I said, is key to getting yourself IN position.

IF you are poppin' out flaps like crazy you can have the N1K2-J's flaps full down before the spit can drop theirs giving you a small window to get position on it.  The N1K2-J with two notches of flaps can turn with a Spit V not using flaps.  Three notches and you will out turn it.

IF the Spit V manages to get their flaps out and you are NOT in position, you in for a rough fight.
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Re: Understanding the Niki
« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2008, 02:00:32 PM »
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Either way its kinda funny the idea that Vets neither give or take HO's. From what I can see the dedicated face shooters are opportunistic.

 Since when did being a "vet" require a moral code?

 

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« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2008, 04:07:11 PM »
i fly the N1K for town attack with the big cannon load, 50% fuel, the 2 bombs and the DT
great town attack AC, can also dogfight in a pinch.
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« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2008, 05:14:52 PM »
A good Niki pilot is a lethal opponent because while you may survive a short .50 cal burst from behind a short burst of 20mms  is downright bad for your airplane. The only 2 downsides that I have with the bird is #1 Japanese plane=no armor or self-sealing tanks #2 wings tend to divorce you in a steep dive (over about 450). A Niki will outturn almost anything in the right hands, but doesn't accelerate fast enough to disengage from a high performance plane like an La.  Also, as with La-7s if he turns into you he's probably gonna HO.
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