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Offline wrag

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« on: March 01, 2008, 06:15:47 PM »
More ammo against the D.C. gun ban..............

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57641

Some will point at the source I suppose.

BUT if you pay attention the media at times picks up the stories listed here and starts shouting.

Then some of those that point at this source look pretty funny to me :lol

If you REALLY want to KNOW or at least get an IDEA of whats going on in the world you need to look at several sources from BOTH sides.

Then figure it probably somewhere in between.  OR write it down and see which source comes the closest to the actually TRUTH should that truth be later revealed.

Been watchin both side for awhile now.
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2008, 10:58:26 PM »
this caught my eye

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44183

the crooked politicians just won't quit will they?

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2008, 12:55:00 AM »
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this caught my eye

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44183

the crooked politicians just won't quit will they?


Granted... that is excessive... but what would you propose the punishment be for illegal firearm? Not picking a fight... just curious :aok

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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2008, 01:41:29 AM »
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Granted... that is excessive... but what would you propose the punishment be for illegal firearm? Not picking a fight... just curious :aok



They already have a punishment for illegal firearms.  It's called prison.  And they often add in fines as well.  And you lose many of your rights in the process.


ahhhh New Jersey...........

So we are finally there?

The Government, the politicians can now tell us what we can have and what we can not have to defend ourselves?

That we can defend ourselves only at their permission?

You forget that in the state of New Jersey a firearm MUST be registered or it is illegal?

You forget that in that state people registered their firearms with the PROMISE that those arms would never be taken from them and then after registering their arms found law enforcement at their doors demanding and taking some of those arms?

You really think they will stop?

You really think they will ALLOW you or anyone else that is not APPROVED to be armed?

Hitler didn't, Stalin didn't, Pol Pot didn't, Mao didn't, you really think they wont?

All through history OVER and OVER it has been the same and you think it's somehow going to be different this time?

ya right :rofl
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2008, 02:45:14 AM »
If the Supreme Court rules that the 2nd Amendment is indeed an individual right and that the words....The right of the people to keep and bears arms shall not be infringed....means exactly that....NJ will have a lot of laws overturned, as will all other states.
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2008, 06:08:44 AM »
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If the Supreme Court rules that the 2nd Amendment is indeed an individual right and that the words....The right of the people to keep and bears arms shall not be infringed....means exactly that....NJ will have a lot of laws overturned, as will all other states.


                  We can hope. But so far these places are getting away with it.

                  And any gun ower whos not in the NRA ,or at least voting for Pro-2nd politicians, deserves what they get.
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2008, 08:17:41 AM »
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Granted... that is excessive... but what would you propose the punishment be for illegal firearm? Not picking a fight... just curious :aok


nice little troll bait there, that question wrongly assumes I would agree those type of laws in violation of the Constitution of the United States are valid.

anyone enforcing those types of laws are in violation of title 18 U.S.C. section 242.

in my opinion the punishment for violation of 18 U.S.C. section 242 should be death. lets see if Capital Punishment is really a deterrent.  

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2008, 09:41:23 AM »
rich said...  " And any gun ower whos not in the NRA ,or at least voting for Pro-2nd politicians, deserves what they get."

this is exactly right.. you can't be a pro osamabama guy and still want your gun rights..  In 99 out of 100 cases or more.. you can't vote for a democrat and then whine when you lose gun rights.

There are only 4 million NRA members.. there should be at least 100 million and they should vote as a block.

As for cops.... They are overwhelmingly in favor of second amendment rights... it is the fat, sleazy, political hack  police chiefs who are against the people.

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2008, 01:30:29 PM »
It's because of the guns deterring crime, and the death penalty deterring murder, that America has the lowest crime and murder rates in the world. Um, wait a second...

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More ammo against the D.C. gun ban..............

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?...mp;pageId=57641

Some will point at the source I suppose.


Hmm. From the "news" story:

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When sexual assaults started rising in Orlando, Fla., in 1986, police officers noticed women were arming themselves, so they launched a firearms safety course for them. Over the next 12 months, sexual assaults plummeted by 88 percent, burglaries fell by 25 percent and not one of the 2,500 women who took the course fired a gun in a confrontation.


For a start, the story gets the date wrong. By twenty years, in fact. The story originates with Gary Kleck, the same man who reckoned over 200,000 criminals were getting shot by citizens defending themselves each year.

Kleck's own data for Orlando doesn't exactly show remarkable benefits, either.

The rate of forcible rate in Orlando jumped about a lot in the 50s and 60s.

1959 - 26.02
1960 - 11.35
1961 - 6.72
1962 - 1.11
1963 - 0
1964 - 27.03
1965 - 12.82
1966 - 35.91 (the training programme began in 66)
1967 - 4.18 (training ended in 67)
1968 - 9.29
1969 - 16.43

Look at how the rate bounces around. From 26 in 59 to 0 in 63. There is certainly no clear trend caused by the training. In fact, the rate more than halved in the year before the training began.

The same is true of burglary. Murder rates actually rose slightly, as did car theft.

In other words, there seems to have been little to no impact on crime rates, which rose in 64, fell in 65, rose in 66, fell in 67, rose in 68.

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2008, 01:35:41 PM »
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nice little troll bait there, that question wrongly assumes I would agree those type of laws in violation of the Constitution of the United States are valid.

anyone enforcing those types of laws are in violation of title 18 U.S.C. section 242.

in my opinion the punishment for violation of 18 U.S.C. section 242 should be death. lets see if Capital Punishment is really a deterrent.  

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I'm not trolling DieAz.

Are you saying that there are no circumstances in which a person an posses a gun illegally?  Everyone can have them?  Any time? No matter what they've done in the past (read convicted violent offenders)?

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2008, 02:15:39 PM »
The Second Amendment, as passed by the House and Senate, reads:
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

One sentence. One thought.

Those who go spastic about the meaning and crusade to have their gun collection (or potential one) protected from the supposed inevitable confiscation from the state should be able to quote it accurately without parsing. Good luck. Carry on.

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2008, 02:47:22 PM »
No matter what this bubbles....the USA has the highest:
1. Amount of arms in the hands of civilians for any western nation
2. Capital/serious crime (Murder, Armed robbery and Rape) of any western nation.
3. Amount of its population in jail of any western nation.


So, it must be because the artillery and ammo is too little,...,,,..,,,
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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2008, 03:16:38 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population

Also the highest population of any western nation, so what do you expect.
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2008, 03:19:47 PM »
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population

Also the highest population of any western nation, so what do you expect.


Less population than the Europeans though, as well as much less population density, and even RURAL homicide rate in the USA exceeds TOTAL homicide rate in i.e. the UK.....
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