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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2008, 08:31:42 AM »
Asides posting moronic comments, why not endeavor to explain your view?

How is Israel trying to expand?  Looks to me, the layman, they are simply trying to exist.

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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2008, 08:34:49 AM »
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Asides posting moronic comments, why not endeavor to explain your view?

How is Israel trying to expand?  Looks to me, the layman, they are simply trying to exist.







satire is not your thing, babe.

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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2008, 08:39:46 AM »
I aint your babe...time to wean thyself of Brokeback Mountain?   :)

Seriously...just staying on topic...

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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2008, 08:46:37 AM »
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yeah....israel really has a lot of nerve in their worldwide plan to dominate arab land.....they practically have the arabs surrounded.....




With the way arabs fight, Israel practically does have them surrounded.
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2008, 08:53:05 AM »
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I aint your babe...time to wean thyself of Brokeback Mountain?   :)

Seriously...just staying on topic...







I WAS on topic.  lemme try remedial BB 101 lingo....... I agree with you.

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2008, 09:00:04 AM »
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How is Israel trying to expand?  Looks to me, the layman, they are simply trying to exist.
google "settlement", then dig out some maps and compare the Green Line with the route of The Wall and draw your own conclusions...
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2008, 09:34:50 AM »
I say we dust off an nook the site from space....."it's the only way to be sure"
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2008, 10:05:20 AM »
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How is Israel trying to expand? Looks to me, the layman, they are simply trying to exist.


Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan in 1967. Since then, they have designated over 40% of the West Bank as land reserved for Jewish settlement. They have moved about 400,000 Jewish settlers on to that land, and private land they have illegally seized from the Palestinian owners.

In 1993, when Israel signed the Oslo peace accords with the Palestinians, with the stated aim of ensuring Palestinian territorial integrity and eventually statehood, there were just over 110,000 Jewish settlers in the West Bank.

In 2000, when the talks eventually failed, there were 192,000.

There are now about 260,000.

Over the last decade or so, population growth in Israel has averaged 1.8 - 2.8%. Over the same period growth amongst the settlers in the West Bank has varied between 2.9 and 10.5%. On average the settler population is growing at about 3 times the rate of the population in Israel itself.

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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2008, 10:14:09 AM »
yep, its the mean ole Israelis again .. they just can't leave those peace loving hamas types alone
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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2008, 10:27:09 AM »
The sad thing is that i find it harder and harder to really care.

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« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2008, 10:35:42 AM »
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Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan in 1967. Since then, they have designated over 40% of the West Bank as land reserved for Jewish settlement. They have moved about 400,000 Jewish settlers on to that land, and private land they have illegally seized from the Palestinian owners.

In 1993, when Israel signed the Oslo peace accords with the Palestinians, with the stated aim of ensuring Palestinian territorial integrity and eventually statehood, there were just over 110,000 Jewish settlers in the West Bank.

In 2000, when the talks eventually failed, there were 192,000.

There are now about 260,000.

Over the last decade or so, population growth in Israel has averaged 1.8 - 2.8%. Over the same period growth amongst the settlers in the West Bank has varied between 2.9 and 10.5%. On average the settler population is growing at about 3 times the rate of the population in Israel itself.


They illegally seized from the palestinians?  Wrong.  It was owned by jordan.  There were no palestinians there.  After Israel was attacked by every single country surrounding it (illegally I might add), Israel kicked their asses.

They kept some of the land as punishment for the bull**** wrought upon them by the arabs.


After that Israel has tried every measure available to compromise with the palestinians.  Time and time again Israel went out of their way to try to give the palestines what they wanted.  But the Palestines don't want anything but the blood of every jew.  So they can just go **** themselves for as far as I care.  In fact, if I was president, I'd tell Israel to do whatever they wanted.

The palestinians were actually rejects from everybody.  All the arab countries around them hate them, but only slightly less than they hate the jews.



But of course, it will always be hard to convince an anti-semitist like you that the jews don't eat the hearts out of innocent palestinian infants.
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2008, 11:03:54 AM »
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They illegally seized from the palestinians? Wrong. It was owned by jordan.


No, I mean private land owned by individuals. Like you own your own house. Approx a third of the settlements have been built on private land illegally seized from the owners.

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There were no palestinians there.


There were quite a few, actually. Even the Israelis have dropped Golda's silly "there are no Palestinians" line.

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After Israel was attacked by every single country surrounding it (illegally I might add), Israel kicked their asses.


Well, actually Israel launched the attack against Egypt. But that's a bit beside the point. The vast majority of the Palestinians in the West Bank were not even born when Israel began the military occupation.

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After that Israel has tried every measure available to compromise with the palestinians. Time and time again Israel went out of their way to try to give the palestines what they wanted.


Don't be silly. Israel conquered the West Bank and Gaza and saw an opportunity to exploit the population for the good of Israel. Here's part of an editorial by Yossi Sarid, who was an Israeli Knesset (parliament) member for most of the 70s and 80s:

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Many years ago, before the first intifada, Palestinian acquaintances from Ramallah asked me for help. They wanted permission to put up a cucumber pickling factory in their town. They asked the authorities and received no reply. I promised to help. Why not? They would invest and employ a few dozen people and make a profit. I turned to the Civil Administration and I was also turned away.

"Are you crazy?" they asked me in the administration, "If they put up their factory, our entire pickling industry will go bankrupt." The occupation isn't even ready to give up pickling.

I understood then; how could one not understand the entire colonialist doctrine as it stood on one foot before me. That is colonialism in all its calculated and malicious parasitism


I don't think you'll find many Israelis who will claim with a straight face that Israel tried everything to compromise with the Palestinians.

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But the Palestines don't want anything but the blood of every jew.


Every Palestinian wants the blood of every Jew? Don't be silly.

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In fact, if I was president, I'd tell Israel to do whatever they wanted.


That's pretty much what Bush has done. The problem for Israel is there is little more they can do. They have pushed the Palestinians to the edge of mass starvation, they have blockaded them, wrecked their economy, killed hundreds in retaliation. It hasn't worked.

It won't work, either. The world community, and the Israelis themselves, are not prepared to see a holocaust in Gaza or the West Bank. Life cannot get much worse for the Palestinians. If the stick fails, then the carrot is all that's left.

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But of course, it will always be hard to convince an anti-semitist like you that the jews don't eat the hearts out of innocent palestinian infants.


Doesn't deserve comment.

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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2008, 11:41:37 AM »
No, it doesn't deserve comment.  You've just proved it for me.
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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2008, 12:02:36 PM »
Abraham (formerly known as Abram) was lead to the area now known as Israel several thousand years ago from the southern portion of what is Iraq.

The Palestinians were there long before the Jews. SO in many ways it is the Jews that have moved into the area after being propped up by the Brits right after WW2.

Now couple that with a long standing hatred of deep water by the people in those areas and you get a small understanding why they all want Israel. It is a fairly well irrigated piece of the world in an area of lots of sand. Israel has been a major thoroughfare for several different empires trying to conquer each other.
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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2008, 12:41:30 PM »
I don't even know where to BEGIN with this......but lemme start at the beginning....when THE UN formed what is now known as Israel, from land nobody wanted or lived on....there were no such thing as "Palestinians" back then...the term was not invented yet. They lived in Jordan...and did not even want the land until jews moved there and turned the desert into a thriving successful paradise.  kinda like vegas...but with less new yorkers.

also...glossing over your Jordan/1967 thing....I see you omitted that the land was "captured" from Jordan....AFTER JORDAN AND SEVERAL OTHER NATIONS ATTACKED ISRAEL...AND LOST..  spoils of war and all that.  

the reason it hasn't been all given back just yet is this silly little issue that Palestinians have with sending over children to blow themselves up on Israeli public busses...whodda thunk?




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Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan in 1967. Since then, they have designated over 40% of the West Bank as land reserved for Jewish settlement. They have moved about 400,000 Jewish settlers on to that land, and private land they have illegally seized from the Palestinian owners.

In 1993, when Israel signed the Oslo peace accords with the Palestinians, with the stated aim of ensuring Palestinian territorial integrity and eventually statehood, there were just over 110,000 Jewish settlers in the West Bank.

In 2000, when the talks eventually failed, there were 192,000.

There are now about 260,000.

Over the last decade or so, population growth in Israel has averaged 1.8 - 2.8%. Over the same period growth amongst the settlers in the West Bank has varied between 2.9 and 10.5%. On average the settler population is growing at about 3 times the rate of the population in Israel itself.