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Offline 33Vortex

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« on: March 03, 2008, 09:24:32 AM »
Once upon a time...

...I was running XP Pro only. Then Vista came around and changed all that.

Vista was a sweet looking OS with many nice qualities and future promise. I decided to try her out and it wasn't long before I found myself moving more and more of my games, personal files and settings into the Vista HDD.

So far so good, we managed to get along well only because I could still run XP Pro for certain applications (like AH) using a dual-boot configuration. Everything was great for about a year or so, then came the question of hardware upgrade.

The XP Pro drive was master with Vista as slave. When the day came to upgrade our motherboard and CPU, I made a terrible mistake. Exactly what I do not know but these two ladies have not agreed with me since. Let me explain.

I simply swapped the MB and CPU without doing any software changes first. Not even sure if it's possible to install MB drivers of a MB not present, anyway what I did was I just swapped the hardware.

Vista booted fine however XP did not boot at all. I updated Vista with all the new drivers and got her to run well. After a while, and after trying to run AH on Vista in a effort to overcome the huge performance loss, I gave up on Vista and reinstalled XP on its HDD. Now, XP was installed on the C: drive and Vista on D:. I did not know at the time but Vista was keeping her boot files on the C: drive (master drive) thus she's dependent on the XP drive being present. (I was totally oblivious to this at the time I installed Vista, it just came up as a dual boot option and I was like "YAY!")

So, I'm not a hardware professional yeah, did you notice yet?

Anyway, I reinstalled XP Pro on the C: drive and got it running with all the latest updates, drivers and whatnot. When I'd spent a few hours on that, Vista wouldn't boot. The Vista boot files were still present on the XP drive, but Vista wasn't recognized on the system it seemed. I disconnected the XP drive and tried to boot Vista but of course that failed.

So I reinstalled Vista, and the problem came back. I could not boot XP again, and had lost all settings and programs etc in both OSs.

After having done numerous reinstalls, trying to get both to work properly with eachother in different possible and impossible configurations, and failed each time, I'm currently in this situation.

MB: ASUS M3A32-MVP Deluxe - 790FX Chipset (worst MB I've had to work with regarding SATA connectors, they're angled to the front of the case, BAD!)

SATA1: XP Pro as D: HDD (Master)
SATA2: Vista HP as C: HDD (Slave)


XP used to be the C: drive and Vista on the D: drive, how that changed I do not know. I've done numerous reinstalls and also changed their SATA connections to see if it makes any difference, it seems not to. The above configuration is the current one.

Like I said, I'm not a pro at this it's more of a hobby for me. So every once in a while I make a mistake, usually it's not that bad but can be corrected easily. This is the worst problem I've had for as long as I can remember.

If someone could tell me how to set up these moody OSs to work with eachother in a dual boot configuration I'd be eternally grateful. Or something like that. :D

I've searched the net to see if there's any info on how to set up a dual boot for these OSs but not found much useful. If someone can point toward a guide or simply post the procedure here, that would help out tremedously.

I know this is not a tech support forum for OSs, but don't know where else to turn to. There should be a simple, stupid, fix for this problem I'm having, I just can not get it to work. Have had a near useless PC for several days now and am by this point getting pretty desperate.

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2008, 10:02:09 AM »
Always install the older operating system 1st...

If you load XP 1st you should be able to load Vista and it will create a dual boot system automatically. You can also use a 3rd party boot manager, google BCD 1.7.1 for the one I use...

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2008, 10:35:08 AM »
XP Pro is 32-bit, Vista is 64-bit. Don't know if that has any relevance though. I've tried many times to install Vista with the XP install on the master disk, each time has been unsuccessful so far. Vista will work fine but XP will not boot.

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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2008, 11:53:10 AM »
I'm not sure how your trying to load things. If you start with a clean disk and install XP and then install vista the vista install should give you the option of a dual boot system. No clue why you'd be having a problem?

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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2008, 12:08:46 PM »
Me neither but I'm trying to find out. :confused:

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2008, 12:47:58 PM »
I wrote an article on how to do this 6 months ago, but here's the basics, copied and pasted from another website:

Download Vista Boot Pro (http://www.vistabootpro.org/) and save it to your XP desktop or somewhere else that you can easily access. Unless you already have .Net Framework (v2.0 at least) it will redirect you to a Microsoft page where you can download this necessary component.

Install and run Vista Boot Pro and open the "Bootloader" tab. Select "Reinstall the Vista bootloader" and press Apply. Then go to the Manage OS Entries tab and select "Add new operating system entry" and make sure you select "Windows Legacy". Give the new entry a name (ie: Windows XP) and select the drive letter you have XP on and then select Apply. You can also choose which entry you would like as the default the system will boot to.

And now you should be able to dual boot between Vista and a previous OS.


Edit: I found the article I wrote. Here are the relevant paragraphs:

When you’re finished (installing XP), your system will automatically boot into XP, and in fact, at this point there isn’t even a Boot Menu that will let you boot into Vista, but this is easily solved. From XP, download and install VistaBootPro from http://www.vistabootpro.org/. You’ll probably also have to download and install the .NET 2.0 Framework from Microsoft, but the VistaBootPro installer checks for it and provides a download link, if necessary.

Once installed, run VistBootPro, ignore the notes to backup your BCD, and click the System Bootloader button.  Check the “Windows Vista Bootloader” and “All Drives” options, and then click the Install Bootloader button. Then choose Run Diagnostics from Diagnostics menu, and set any boot options that you prefer. Incidentally, you can also use VistaBootPro to rename entries in the Vista Boot Menu, such as changing “Earlier Version of Windows” to “Windows XP.” Finally, reboot your computer, and you should see Vista’s Boot Menu, ready to let you select whatever OS you prefer to work with today.

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2008, 01:09:33 PM »
Thanks llama, I shall go ahead and try that!

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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2008, 01:27:26 PM »
That did the trick, now I'm in Vista. However I can not boot XP anymore.

Same problem as before...

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2008, 01:34:55 PM »
Running VistaBootPRO in Vista give me the following 'OS Detection Error':

"VistaBootPRO has detected that Vista is either not installed or is
installed on a hidden drive. You may experience minor problems using
VistaBootPRO and/or making changes to your BCD Registry."

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« Last Edit: March 03, 2008, 01:38:07 PM by 33Vortex »

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2008, 01:52:18 PM »
After messing around a bit with VistaBootPRO, the dual-boot setup is now working as it should!

Thanks llama!

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2008, 05:26:25 PM »
You're welcome. Glad to hear it.

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