For the G33ks- Gary Gygax passed away.

[mg1942]

Dunno that much about Dungeons and Dragons, but is this the old school version of todays "Warcraft"?


PS:  Is lasz marginalizing people again because they like (or a fan of~) something that he considers unmanly?

[lazs2]

well.. Like I said.. I do not enjoy taking myself to a land of sorcery and elves and princeses and and trolls and such..   the genre of fantasy does not interest me.

some of you tho seem to feel that if you don't like fantasy (the genre) or did not play dungeons and dragons that you obviously did not use your mind.  arrogance from a DD player is amusing to me.

I am shocked that so many AH players would were into the fairlyand stuff tho.. AH for me seems historical and accurate and trying it's best to imitate a physical world that not only could exist but did... that of ballistics and prop plane performance at it's height.   

And in the end.. you have to do a lot of imagining to pull yourself out of a basement full of zit faced males and into the arms of the princess or into the battle with the troll now don't you?

Sure.. we played cowboys and indians or soldier but.. it was no fun, as we grew into teenagers, unless there were projectile weapons involved..  BB's and such.   No princess and no majic to save your butt..  still..  you could win.   you were out of the moment but in the moment.. you were....

outdoors...  you were getting exercise and the danger was real.

Never took a drama class myself but.. what is the difference?  why didn't you guys do that?   It would seem a more productive (more skill and learning) than the fairlyand thing with the same results..

unless.. you are just a big fan of the genre... which I am most assuredly  not.

lazs

[Pongo]

If you think the whole concept of a story like the lord of the rings is repulsive, you wouldn't be interested in D&D or off shoots. If you think that WW2 history is valuable and interesting and 9th century European history is stupid and worthless you like wise wouldn't be interested in D&D or off shoots.
Does that make you more manly? You apparently hope so. I am not so sure. Playing D&D doesn't preclude you doing any other thing, it is just something that others have done that you have not, it doesn't imply that you have done or enjoy things that they have not.

[JB88]

a great one.

reno 911 - magic missle...demon god of conquest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkcZGADQClw

 

[NUKE]

well.. Like I said.. I do not enjoy taking myself to a land of sorcery and elves and princeses and and trolls and such..   

lazs

I thought you lived in California?

[lazs2]

oddly.. the ones most concerned about how "manly" it is..  or even using the word.. are the princesses who played dungeon and dragons.

Now I am told that DD is simply 9th century your-0-peean history relived.   

Now, I enjoyed the ivanho horse and sword books..   That did not mean that I would enjoy sitting on a sawhorse in a basement with like minded teens with a pot on my head and a broomstick "lance".

fairyland and dragonland was just not some place I wanted to be.

as for mg42.. I did not say that your anime addiction was not manly.. I said that it was akin to pedophilia which..  I suppose.. does amount to the same thing now that you bring it up. 

lazs

[Urchin]

I actually think that for some people AH serves the same purpose as D&D does.  It is just a different sort of make believe.

[Arlo]

oddly.. the ones most concerned about how "manly" it is..  or even using the word.. are the princesses who played dungeon and dragons.

Now I am told that DD is simply 9th century your-0-peean history relived.   

Now, I enjoyed the ivanho horse and sword books..   That did not mean that I would enjoy sitting on a sawhorse in a basement with like minded teens with a pot on my head and a broomstick "lance".

fairyland and dragonland was just not some place I wanted to be.

as for mg42.. I did not say that your anime addiction was not manly.. I said that it was akin to pedophilia which..  I suppose.. does amount to the same thing now that you bring it up. 

lazs

John Wayne wouldn't have even read this thread, much less posted in it. Try emulating him if you want to portray masculine security here for the rest of us to admire.

[Coshy]

I have, somewhere in a box somewhere, 2 of the 3 originial pamphlet 'rulebooks'. Back when ELF was a class, not a race. Wonder if they are of any value. May have to go look for them.

[SunKing]

I actually think that for some people AH serves the same purpose as D&D does.  It is just a different sort of make believe.

Bingo.. alot of hypocrites  in thread.

[Pongo]

Arlo..lol
Just ask yourself at all times what would John Wayne do?
Now someone do a dialog of the duke playing D&D. That would be hillarios.

[Pongo]

oddly.. the ones most concerned about how "manly" it is..  or even using the word.. are the princesses who played dungeon and dragons.

Now I am told that DD is simply 9th century your-0-peean history relived.   

Now, I enjoyed the ivanho horse and sword books..   That did not mean that I would enjoy sitting on a sawhorse in a basement with like minded teens with a pot on my head and a broomstick "lance".

fairyland and dragonland was just not some place I wanted to be.

as for mg42.. I did not say that your anime addiction was not manly.. I said that it was akin to pedophilia which..  I suppose.. does amount to the same thing now that you bring it up. 

lazs

Allot of thought wasted on something you purport to not care about.
Tolkien was interested in that time frame(he was an expert on the languages of that era), invented his own language for a elven race(in the 1920s), then invented a history and world for the language to exist in(in the 30s). Then wrote the book the lord of the rings during WW2 pretty much.
People liked his books(not you apparently) and wondered what it would be like to exist in such a world, Gygax wondered the same thing and came up with a game system to try and capture the experience. A whole genre of games evolved, spread to computer games and continues to this day in hundreds of different rules systems and for many different environments.
There are Role Playing games for Science Fiction, Vietnam, the old west(The Duke would approve of this I suppose) and everything else. Its just a gaming model where N players have one person they control in a world and that person can progress and become more capable within the rules for the game. 1 Player controls everything else in existence.  And thats it. Nothing mysterios or hateful, just for the time a very different concept of a game that has now become almost universal with computers.
You expect to play a computer game and have all the bad guys controlled by the PC or a server, Doom and all its desendents do this, Most not online flight sims do this etc.
In the mid 1970s nothing did this. Gygax made up rules for a person to act as that computer that controls all the bad guys and non player good guys.
Thats all it is.
 

[NUKE]

Gygax made up rules for a person to act as that computer that controls all the bad guys and non player good guys.
Thats all it is.
 

That's a pretty good analogy.

By the way, as I said before we didn't dress up in costumes or collect toy monsters. There were no "princesses". Actually, you had to be pretty smart, plus creative to be able to learn and play the game.

One of the other games I played used a similar, less complex system and it was a WW1 fighter game. That was a blast too. You had hit damage models, and all kinds of parameters for the planes. Just like a computer does now. Only we used dice.

Good analogy, Pongo.

[SteveBailey]

That's a pretty good analogy.

By the way, as I said before we didn't dress up in costumes or collect toy monsters. There were no "princesses". Actually, you had to be pretty smart, plus creative to be able to learn and play the game.

One of the other games I played used a similar, less complex system and it was a WW1 fighter game. That was a blast too. You had hit damage models, and all kinds of parameters for the planes. Just like a computer does now. Only we used dice.

Good analogy, Pongo.

Heck I'd probably still play if I could muster a group of guys who weren't over the top... and a few hours each week.
A friend of mine and I once entered a dungeon creating contest for Dragon Magazine.  He did the mapping and I did the story line. We finished third but GG asked me if I ever considered writing.  It was flattering, but I hated typing. a  few years later I sent him a chapter of a book I had in mind and he asked me if I wanted help getting published.... said maybe he could help me. A couple of years after that he had his own publishing company.... I hated typing too much and didn't want to spend the time at a keyboard... was busy chasing skirts, paintballing, and skating... making just enough money to afford these vices.  Man, I am quite sure I missed a chance at a career in writing.... I was really a very unwise young person.  Still, I had a blast w/ my vices.   

[NUKE]

Heck I'd probably still play if I could muster a group of guys who weren't over the top... and a few hours each week.
A friend of mine and I once entered a dungeon creating contest for Dragon Magazine.  He did the mapping and I did the story line. We finished third but GG asked me if I ever considered writing.  It was flattering, but I hated typing. a  few years later I sent him a chapter of a book I had in mind and he asked me if I wanted help getting published.... said maybe he could help me. A couple of years after that he had his own publishing company.... I hated typing too much and didn't want to spend the time at a keyboard... was busy chasing skirts, paintballing, and skating... making just enough money to afford these vices.  Man, I am quite sure I missed a chance at a career in writing.... I was really a very unwise young person.  Still, I had a blast w/ my vices.   

Hey Steve. I apologize for missing the birthday party for the kids. I felt terrible about that.

Hey, maybe I can find my old princess costume and we can play D&D at your place? LOL. Does Stacey have any extra pots that we can use for helmets?

I remember that you mentioned that book when I fist met you. You blew it, pal!