For the G33ks- Gary Gygax passed away.

[indy007]

well.. I was talking about vampires but...

Are you saying that in DD no one ever pretended to be a princess or an elf?  How bout a wizard.. that is pretty funny too did you have a wand and all?

lazs

I know a Bandito that used to play a Wizard in D&D. Good Magic: The Gathering player too.

[SteveBailey]

learning to work on cars and bikes and paint and weld and troubleshoot all.. still serve me well.

lazs

I can do all those things... and more,yet I played D&D.  I'm afraid your stereotype is off the mark, Lazs.

[NUKE]

Unless you somehow made money of the dorks who love that crap then you were wasting your time...  I think that many (correct me if I am wrong) spent hundreds of hours a month doing something almost completely worthless in every way...  socially and in the VAST world of learning and imagination.. time that was wasted that could have been used much much better...  or,

Laz, you keep digging a deeper hole. Are you wasting your time being  a top poster on this internet board? Are you wasting your time playing aces high? Are you making money off of us dorks? If not, it is a waste in every way.

I guess your world is VASTLY more enlightened. Please post some more about D&D, it's getting better and better each time you do.

[lazs2]

steve... maybe you should have spent a little more time on reading comprehension.

I did not say that you couldn't learn outside of dd.. I said that the time you spent was wasted and could have been better used on "real life version 1.1"

Whatever you know now would have been more if you hadn't wasted the princess and elf time with zit faced losers in a basement learning nothing about anything except other kids just as screwed up.

Of course you can survive it and.. even thrive in later life but that would be in spite of dd not because of it.

nuke doesn't get it either.. he feels that pure recreation is not a waste.. that is true to some extent but... recreation that you get some exercise is better for kids than sedentary for instance.. this BB is better than a dd session because it really is simply.. a way to interact and get real world information..  at least as good as the best news source I have ever seen.   even the best.. you only get one side.

AH.. is sedentary and pure entertainment.  I believe that for adults... ones who are fully formed and need some escape..  a little is a good thing.. much better than TV say...  for kids.. probly a lot better than dd since you are getting some history and interacting with people from all over the planet with all sorts of age groups... but.. not as good as getting some frigging fresh air.

The world of princesses and trolls is a waste.. pure and simple... the only excuse for the new gen of dd the wow guys or evercrak guys is.. they claim it is something they can do with their wife/girlfriend..  pretty weak but.. better than most excuses I have heard.  the genre sucks.. it is a huge waste.   I can think of nothing more removed from reality and more useless except as a place to hide.

If you really need the escape.. then a little is probly ok but realize.. that you could have made better use of your recreational time.

lazs

[SteveBailey]

steve... maybe you should have spent a little more time on reading comprehension.

I did not say that you couldn't learn outside of dd.. I said that the time you spent was wasted and could have been better used on "real life version 1.1"

So teenagers should spend every waking minute doing something productive?  They should have no forms of entertainment whatsoever? Seems to me you don't like/understand the genre so you ignorantly assume it is a bad thing.
Some of the most successful and intelligent people have  played the game.  Steven Hawking is one.  I could name several more.  I can't think of many felons that did, though.  I bet you know of plenty felons, including yourself, who didn't play.

[NUKE]

Man, what to say?
What about other games? Like Chess, Cards and any other game?

D&D is pretty complex and you had to be pretty intelligent to learn to play it correctly.

[FiLtH]

Laz's older brother was a mean dungeon master

[NUKE]

Also Laz, D&D involves a lot of reading, math as well as writing and story telling and problem solving. It's interactive and social.

Those are things not often found in a game.

And no matter how much you keep telling us that it is worthless, I'd still  say that you are just ignorant of the subject.

[lazs2]

I don't know how much intelligence it takes to play dd but you guys did it so it can't take much.  You can't even read and comprehend a simple post... you are unable to make rational arguements or conclusions.. you conclude that since a couple of people are doing well who also once played dd then.. it must be a way to the top.

you guys keep attributing arguements to me that I have not made.   I never said kids/people don't need entertainment but...  kids especially need to interact with more than a few like minded zit boys and they need fresh air and sunshine and to move those muscles.

I think that you will find far more that played dd that wasted hundreds of hours a month.. to their social and physical detrement than ever became rich and famous..  Like having a garage band but.. without the skills.

Any tiny bit of good that came from it was nothing compared to a myriad of other things you could have done.

at least it was relatively harmless if not done to excess.



lazs

[NUKE]

Hey Laz

All I have really said was that it is a game. It requires reading and math skills. It's not worthless, it's only a game and a good game. Nothing harmful about it. Just like playing Chess or any other game.

What is your main point, really? The point I take is that you don't like the game. You have said that over and over and over. I think we get it.

Now when you started telling us how much of a waste it is, then defend what you did for fun, well that's just too easy to pass up.

[Elysian]

D&D was a blast, such a fun exercise of imagination.  I still buy the books sometimes just to read em.  Not to brag or anything, more to shoot more holes in that D&D stereotype:  In high school I was playing in good bands and getting "chicks" with the best of em.  And shooting pretend airplanes on the computer ain't that different then stabbing a troll with a sword in a complex tabletop game.  I'm lucky I guess, I can enjoy a whole spectrum of things.  Skydiving and target shooting my SKS and other "manly" things along with taking a "geeky" adventure in the mind with some buddies or reading a book.

[Treize69]

Laz's older brother was a mean dungeon master

Thats probably his issue- the older kids wouldn't let him play with them, so he blames them and people like them for all the worlds problems. I've never seen anybody so bound and determined to label everyone who isn't exactly like him by stupid stereotypes and adamantly refuse to rethink his stance no matter what.

Oh wait, yes I have... most of them live in small single-bed rooms with a steel toilet/sink combo and wear large swatikas tatooed somewhere on their torso. They also sport green jumpsuits and are referred to by cell numbers instead of names.