Suicide bombers and why

[tatertot]

SO AFTER WAY TO MANY POST FOR ME TO READ OVER.I GOT TO ASK.A B17 OR LANC DIVE BOMBING A CV IS CONSIDERED TABOO TO MOST RIGHT?\\\
THEN
OK IF A GUY TAKES KI67S OUT WITH EGGS NOT TORPS IS THIS THE SAME?(I BELIEVE IVE SEEN MANY SHOWS ON PACIFIC FLEET BATTLE WERE A JAP PLANE IS A REAL SUICIDER?
ALSO IF BUFFS SUICIDING IS TABOO WOULDNT A 51 HITTING ORDS OR TROOPS BE THE SAME THING?
IM SURE PEOPLE DONT LIKE ME TAKING A CV OUT WHEN THERE IS A REALISTIC FURBALL GOING ON A ROUND A CV!
ITS COOL THOUGH IVE BEEN CALLED GAMEY MANY TIMES.....

I HAVE ASKED IF CV NEEDS TO GO MANY TIMES BEFORE I HIT IT. BUT 1 THING ALWAYS STAYS THE SAME .IF YOU LEAVE A CV UP EVENTUALY THE BASE IS GOING TO BE HIT YOUR FUN WILL CHANGE BECAUSE THAT SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY,IE BASE TAKERS WILL SEE THE EASY TAKE..

IF WE CAN SPAWN A GV 10 MILES FROM A BASE THEN SPAWN BUFFS 20 REALLY DOESNT MATTER, SPAWNING, FURBALLING, MAN ACK ITS ALL THE SAME (A GAME)
GENTLEMAN AND LADIES THEY HAVE ADDAPTED THE GAME OVER THE YEARS DEAL WITH THE DWEEBS THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE NOT EVERYONE PALYS THIS (GAME) TO MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE A REAL LIFE PILOT AND SHAME ON YOU IF YOU DO WE COULDNT HOLD UP THERE SOCKS !!!!

THEY ARE TRUE REAL LIFE HEROS WE ARE MERELY OVER WIEGHT OLD BALD GUYS PLAYING A ENJOYABLE GAME !!!

HERE IS HOW I AM GOING TO APPROACH THIS I WILL FIRST ASK IF CV OR HNGRS NEED TO GO DOWN IF TOLD NO I STAND ON MY EGGS(IM ONLY 5FT*) AND ILL SHOOT YOU DOWN THEN!

BTW I REALLY LIKE 999000 IDEA OF MORE SHIPS THAT RESPAWN!

[tatertot]

SORRY I GUESS THAT WAS MORE THAN A QUESTION MORE LIKE A WASTED OPINION!


<S> LET THE BASHING BEGIN

[wezy]

See Rule #5

[hubsonfire]

See Rule #4

[LYNX]

getting a bit warm in here.....any shade will do 

[wezy]

TGT: TT   Smak Smak Smak Smak

Now tatertot if u liked that I will havta STOP   

For the simple minded: TT stands for tatertot

OK more real; tatertot if your TGT is the CV in question "SINK IT" Period.
Let the whinners whinnnnnnn

Solve Prob:
There should be a Fighter Dogfight area/island in center of ALL Maps so the Fighters can have their fun.
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[Latrobe]

I see you skipped step 8 on here 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xs8HWN6UyE

[Rino]

TGT: TT   Smak Smak Smak Smak

Now tatertot if u liked that I will havta STOP   

For the simple minded: TT stands for tatertot

OK more real; tatertot if your TGT is the CV in question "SINK IT" Period.
Let the whinners whinnnnnnn

Solve Prob:
There should be a Fighter Dogfight area/island in center of ALL Maps so the Fighters can have their fun.
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     Wouldn't matter, we have enough buff griefers to pork any sort of FT.  

[Patches1]

I think the issue of further hardening CVs against bombs is a bit harsh. However, if they are further hardened, then I think that there needs
to be a point of damage at which flight operations become hindered, i.e. the ability to launch aircraft becomes hampered due to repairs to the flight deck, and then further damage suspends all flight operations, and further damage sinks the CV.

As far as the dive-bombing heavy bombers depicted in this thread, I view them with the same disdain as the bomb-and-bail types.

[ghi]

That's  a man with ballz and spirit of sacrifice for his country , not shy score potato, Great bombing !

[toonces3]

It would be simple enough (I think) to coad the CV such that a certain amount of damage was equivalent to dropping the fighter hangars.  This would yield the CV essentially out of the fight for a period of time.

During Midway (I think) the Yorktown took several bomb hits but remained afloat and damage parties were able to patch the flight deck so the carrier was able to conduct flight ops.

Such a coading would render the CV vulnerable for a period of time, say 15 minutes, from enemy bombers/attack planes without any additional fighter support coming from the CV.

At any rate, I don't think HTC is going to re-coad the game based upon Toonces' recommendations, but if we're looking for ways to curb dive-bombing the CV with heavies, then coading the game such that such dive bombing can't 'kill' the CV is the only method to fix it....excepting an attitude shift among the more clueless in the community (yes, wezy, this means you).  Somehow I don't think the attitude thing is the way to approach the problem (if it is a problem...)

[beddog]

Also, I don't think AH CV's can turn as tight as real CV's could.  Looking at some pictures of maneuvering CV's from WWII, it seems they could maneuver more quickly, which would make it harder on the level bombers and possibly even divebombers.

I agree with that brooke    STOP TURNIN THE CV, I'M TRYIN TO LAND HERE!!!!



btw  I know this is the Nimitz and it entered service on may 3rd 1975 so no need to correct my posting this image.

[zilla]

Again, most CVs were sunk using torpedoes, not bombs.

Most CVs had damage control- the CV didn't 'die' immediately.

Institute a need for torps to crack the integrity of the hull.  Institute a time mechanism to force bombers to 'live' for a period of time.  Call it damage control effots.  If the bombers live, DC fails.  If they die, DC succeeds.

A CV that was hit by bombs and burning would not continue to poop out F4Us.

[EskimoJoe]

Yeehaw!

Today I took 3 B24s loaded with 4 2k bombs each to destroy the CV attacking 124. I came in way low and behind it. I think it was Bmathis that was landing, but I'm unsure.

But yes, I was behind the lone CV in my bombers. About 1k out from the rear I pull up hard (only a few auto ack guns shooting) and release them all. BANG BANG BANG BANG! Destroyed the CV, and everyone on it 

[toonces3]

SO AFTER WAY TO MANY POST FOR ME TO READ OVER.I GOT TO ASK.A B17 OR LANC DIVE BOMBING A CV IS CONSIDERED TABOO TO MOST RIGHT?\\\
THEN
OK IF A GUY TAKES KI67S OUT WITH EGGS NOT TORPS IS THIS THE SAME?

yes, this is the same if the Ki-67 dive bombs the CV.  The ord is unimportant, it's the manner of delivery.

(I BELIEVE IVE SEEN MANY SHOWS ON PACIFIC FLEET BATTLE WERE A JAP PLANE IS A REAL SUICIDER?

Yes, there were incidents where Japanese pilots committed suicide attacking American CVs.  There were also occasions where mortally wounded American bombers attempted to crash into Japanese CVs.  In fact, Admiral Nagumo and his staff were nearly killed early during the battle of Midway when a US level bomber (I want to say B-25 or B-26) attempted to crash into the Akagi after being mortally hit by flak. 
 


ALSO IF BUFFS SUICIDING IS TABOO WOULDNT A 51 HITTING ORDS OR TROOPS BE THE SAME THING?

In my opinion, a suicide run in a P-51 to hit troops or ords is as dweeby as a suicide run with level bombers against a CV.

IM SURE PEOPLE DONT LIKE ME TAKING A CV OUT WHEN THERE IS A REALISTIC FURBALL GOING ON A ROUND A CV!
ITS COOL THOUGH IVE BEEN CALLED GAMEY MANY TIMES.....

I don't see anything wrong with hitting a CV with or without a furball going on around it, provided you are doing the aforementioned 'lancstuka' type attack.  A simple coad change requiring a level bomber to meet some attitude requirement before releasing bombs would prevent much of this dweebery.

I HAVE ASKED IF CV NEEDS TO GO MANY TIMES BEFORE I HIT IT. BUT 1 THING ALWAYS STAYS THE SAME .IF YOU LEAVE A CV UP EVENTUALY THE BASE IS GOING TO BE HIT YOUR FUN WILL CHANGE BECAUSE THAT SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY,IE BASE TAKERS WILL SEE THE EASY TAKE..

I think it's admirable to ask before taking out a CV.  I'd do the same thing.  But that's just being polite, just like asking before jumping into a 1v1.

IF WE CAN SPAWN A GV 10 MILES FROM A BASE THEN SPAWN BUFFS 20 REALLY DOESNT MATTER, SPAWNING, FURBALLING, MAN ACK ITS ALL THE SAME (A GAME)

Agreed.

GENTLEMAN AND LADIES THEY HAVE ADDAPTED THE GAME OVER THE YEARS DEAL WITH THE DWEEBS THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE NOT EVERYONE PALYS THIS (GAME) TO MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE A REAL LIFE PILOT AND SHAME ON YOU IF YOU DO WE COULDNT HOLD UP THERE SOCKS !!!!

I am a real pilot, as are many other folks on this game.  I'd rather play a game getting shot at than get shot at for real, but that's just me. 

THEY ARE TRUE REAL LIFE HEROS WE ARE MERELY OVER WIEGHT OLD BALD GUYS PLAYING A ENJOYABLE GAME !!!

I disagree.

HERE IS HOW I AM GOING TO APPROACH THIS I WILL FIRST ASK IF CV OR HNGRS NEED TO GO DOWN IF TOLD NO I STAND ON MY EGGS(IM ONLY 5FT*) AND ILL SHOOT YOU DOWN THEN!

Fair enough.

BTW I REALLY LIKE 999000 IDEA OF MORE SHIPS THAT RESPAWN!

Frankly, I'd enjoy hearing 999000's opinion on the lancstukas.  He seems to be among the best and most respected bomber pilots in the game.

Just my opinions.
Toonces