Author Topic: No more Ron Paul (Read 722 times)

C(Sea)Bass · « **on:** March 07, 2008, 12:47:50 AM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/ap_on_el_pr/paul

SD67 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2008, 12:51:39 AM »

Boooo

lazs2 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2008, 07:58:23 AM »

I had said that I hoped that ron paul would get out and not harm the republicans by taking away votes. I felt he was too good a man to do that.

I am glad to see that he is.

lazs

Xargos · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2008, 08:02:32 AM »

So it's either going to be Hussain, Hillary, or Ted Kennedy's Twin.

Charon · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2008, 09:55:35 AM »

All in all, with virtually no love from the media Paul had a pretty solid run. I would have liked to have seen him closer to double digits in more places, but overall not too bad.

His positions require a lot of public education, with limited opportunities to do so. He was a radical simply because we lack, broadly, any deep understanding of how we came about as a country, why the framers created the limits and balances they did, and for Republicans what conservatism was before the Nixon era. Similarly, he was not Johnny Charisma. But, the debates did allow him to express ideas that I believe many people, or at least many Republicans, will have in the backs of their minds as we move forward. As the mainstream Uniparty continues to crap on America for its own power and profit people will notice more and more.

Another encouraging thing is the youth vote. His youth supporters actually care. And they are evangelical.

So, <S> Ron Paul, and better luck for all of us next time.

Charon

Torque · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2008, 10:15:45 AM »

well the doctor's numbers pretty much proved one thing... the empire is like a fruit box with less than 10% real juice.

lazs2 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2008, 02:33:34 PM »

charon.. I disagree.

I am normally pretty optimistic but...

I believe that the more people knew about ron paul the less chance he would have in America. I believe that freedom and individual rights and self reliance and small government are the last things that the vast majority of Americans want today.

lazs

Charon · « **Reply #7 on:** March 07, 2008, 04:25:16 PM »

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I believe that the more people knew about ron paul the less chance he would have in America. I believe that freedom and individual rights and self reliance and small government are the last things that the vast majority of Americans want today.

I don't disagree -- today. And I never thought he would do better than 10 percent in a best case scenario. I guess my angle is that Paul reintroduced what has become an entirely alien concept to most Americans. A smaller, less intrusive Govt. The idea that we might not actually need a bigger and growing Govt.

Now, did most find him a loon? Probably. But, at least they are now aware of the concept. As the uniparty continues to fail (under both parties), as the obvious failings of big Govt. continue to become hard to ignore I think people who have dismissed him will pay more attention if small govt. supporters keep expressing their side of the argument on forums and in personal discussions. Slowly but surely, I think even mainstream progressive types are starting to wonder if their tax dollars are buying the social miracles that are promised in terms of results. I think they're getting a bit of nanny law overload too, and if we swing into a recession I would imagine that they will pay even more attention to bloat and waste. In fact, the do noting, no change business as usual that would result from an Obama presidency might be the spirit crushing event we need to dispell the big mommy Govt. fantasy once and for all. Lemons and lemon aid, perhaps.

An interesting side point. The Cook County budget deadline almost passed without a resolution. No budget cuts were to be made at all in the bloated Govt. Numerous taxes were proposed and fought with a final cave in with our 1 percent increase in the sales tax. Before that happened though there was talk of only having "essential" services should a budget not be reached... That sounded great to me! Why are we paying for all these non essential services

Charon

AWMac · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2008, 04:28:13 PM »

You haven't seen the last of Ron Paul!

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2008, 05:57:02 PM »

Quote from: C(Sea)Bass on March 07, 2008, 12:47:50 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/ap_on_el_pr/paul

Yahoo news if it isnt already is getting as bad as the rest.
Mostly talking half trueths out their arses.

he's still in for the rest of the primaries.

And while he very well knows his odds of winning are between slim and none.

He wants to start something bigger

In his own words put out yesterday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_vVaZxTno

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #10 on:** March 07, 2008, 06:00:15 PM »

Quote from: Torque on March 07, 2008, 10:15:45 AM

well the doctor's numbers pretty much proved one thing... the empire is like a fruit box with less than 10% real juice.

Naa he got lower numbers because the corperate owned media refused to give himm any serious coverage.

Fox blew him off outright. CNN is the only media outlet I saw give him any real coverage. and even that was miniscule in comparison to the group the media wants in there

lazs2 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2008, 09:30:42 AM »

I can't help but think we are not ready for ron paul yet.

the government is not quite big and oppressive enough for most Americans yet. Once the pendulum starts to swing the other way.. he, or someone like him, will get a lot of press and a lot of support.

lazs

stroker71 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2008, 10:38:44 AM »

Quote from: lazs2 on March 07, 2008, 02:33:34 PM

charon.. I disagree.

I am normally pretty optimistic but...

I believe that the more people knew about ron paul the less chance he would have in America. I believe that freedom and individual rights and self reliance and small government are the last things that the vast majority of Americans want today.

lazs

WRONG....I want all those things. Small example: I wear my seat belt but I hate the fact there is a law telling that I have to wear it. For children YES wear your seat belt/car seat but as an adult you should understand what could/would happen. IF you die in a crash because you were not wearing your seat belt then you just helped clean the genepool...ty moron. The founding fathers knew that a large central government would be the down fall of America and it is getting to that. For the last 20 years we have had 2 different "genepools" running this country and looking (if Hillary gets in) to add up to 8 more. We as a people are told what to think, say, and do by the government like it or not...know it or not.

IE: We had an outcry when fuel prices started to rise. Now you hear nothing other than grumbling at the pumps. The government knows we are a nation of ADD cases and DO NOT FEAR us in anyway shape or form. They know they control us...what we watch on TV, the news we recieve, what we eat, who owns guns, and so on. We are not ruled by the people for the people...we are ruled by a rich few for corp. america

bsdaddict · « **Reply #13 on:** March 08, 2008, 12:31:29 PM »

While RP winning would have been a dream come true, that is and always has been the longest of shots. I'm disappointed, but keep telling myself that this isn't JUST about RP. A movement has been started, Ron Paul Republicans are running for various house and senate positions. Thousands, if not millions, of Americans have been brought out of political apathy and are working to take back the GOP and restore the republic.

An article I read a while back puts it all into perspective when it said (paraphrasing) that "Ron Paul was the movement's Goldwater, not necessarily its Reagan." Goldwater wasn't politically suave enough, Reagan had to put a pretty face on it and use his silver tongue before Goldwater's ideas took hold. I just hope there's a republic left to restore in 4 years...

That said, here's a funny pic that makes a lot of sense to me...

Xargos · « **Reply #14 on:** March 08, 2008, 06:36:46 PM »

Quote from: bsdaddict on March 08, 2008, 12:31:29 PM

While RP winning would have been a dream come true, that is and always has been the longest of shots. I'm disappointed, but keep telling myself that this isn't JUST about RP. A movement has been started, Ron Paul Republicans are running for various house and senate positions. Thousands, if not millions, of Americans have been brought out of political apathy and are working to take back the GOP and restore the republic.

An article I read a while back puts it all into perspective when it said (paraphrasing) that "Ron Paul was the movement's Goldwater, not necessarily its Reagan." Goldwater wasn't politically suave enough, Reagan had to put a pretty face on it and use his silver tongue before Goldwater's ideas took hold. I just hope there's a republic left to restore in 4 years...

That said, here's a funny pic that makes a lot of sense to me...

(Image removed from quote.)

That would be funny if it wasn't so true.

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