When torturing is OK for feds shouldn't it be allowed for others too?

[Brownshirt]

I just don't get it. If it's good for getting information then shouldn't it be freely used by police to get much needed information from criminals?

[john9001]

you are right, you just don't get it.

[Arlo]

John rushes to this thread to share some irony with us all.

[Rich46yo]

                  Well there is that little thing called the US Constitution.

[bj229r]

Need to re-title this thread: Is 'waterboarding' torture? If you can't see any harm 15 minutes later, no, I believe it isn't. (I'll choose waterboarding over electrodes on my privates, hot poker shoved up my arse, cigars burned into my arms, every time ) (Is anyone aware that we have only ever used that procedure on THREE people?)

[Blooz]

If the terrorists are not US citizens, they have no rights under our law.

Since terrorists are not uniformed members of any countrys army, they have no rights under Geneva Convention.




Do whatever it takes to win.

[eskimo2]

Speaking of torture, I recently entered this picture in a "bad movie adaption concepts" contest:



I don't think they got it though; you have to recognize both pictures for it to make sense.

[Ripsnort]

Just when I think Eskimo is a normal guy, he tends to throw those curve balls that make you say....

WTF !?!?!

[Tarmac]

you have to recognize both pictures for it to make sense.

I guess that's why, Rip.  I thought it was pretty funny.

[Fishu]

If the terrorists are not US citizens, they have no rights under our law.

Since terrorists are not uniformed members of any countrys army, they have no rights under Geneva Convention.

Do whatever it takes to win.

Don't blame them if they torture your soldiers or civilians. Torture doesn't do any good, most often it's simply a way to relieve your bad feelings. A pretty poor way to make friends on a long run.

Why again was it bad that Saddam tortured his own people? I mean, they were terrorists from his point of view. Iraq's constitution and laws allowed it.

Besides that, I wonder how long it takes before the US starts to torture it's own criminals - after all, they're criminals, it's their own fault. Don't do crimes if you don't want to get tortured, right?

By all the definitions of the word "torture" does apply to waterboarding.

Oh yeah.. do you guys really believe that torturing people will give you correct answers? Any one of you can be made to confess any terrorist act by torturing, even if you never knew about those.

[bj229r]

Don't blame them if they torture your soldiers or civilians. Torture doesn't do any good, most often it's simply a way to relieve your bad feelings. A pretty poor way to make friends on a long run.

Why again was it bad that Saddam tortured his own people? I mean, they were terrorists from his point of view. Iraq's constitution and laws allowed it.

Besides that, I wonder how long it takes before the US starts to torture it's own criminals - after all, they're criminals, it's their own fault. Don't do crimes if you don't want to get tortured, right?

By all the definitions of the word "torture" does apply to waterboarding.

Oh yeah.. do you guys really believe that torturing people will give you correct answers? Any one of you can be made to confess any terrorist act by torturing, even if you never knew about those.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed sang like a canary after waterboarding, and the nice Islamists have brutally butchered every one of our people they've ever layed their hands on

[Fishu]

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed sang like a canary after waterboarding, and the nice Islamists have brutally butchered every one of our people they've ever layed their hands on

Yeah, like I said, anyone can be made to confess anything by torturing. However, the reliability of confession gained through torture is questionable.

I'm not sure I believe this particular Mohammed necessarily participated in every terrorist act he's confessed. He was tortured to confess. Either he participated in the attacks or he chose to confess to save himself from being tortured all the time.

[bj229r]

You simply ask verifiable information

[Rino]

     I guess we need to pass all our information by the Fishu filter...just
to be certain 

[Brownshirt]

Need to re-title this thread: Is 'waterboarding' torture? If you can't see any harm 15 minutes later, no, I believe it isn't.

Boy you'd be surprised what kind of pain I could give you if that's how you define if it's torturing or not... anyways also cigaret burn marks will heal in few weeks, why should the limit be 15 minutes?